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Old 08-30-2019, 12:29 PM   #326 (permalink)
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There are a lot of scientist that I don't agree with. Why? Because science is always evolving and what they "knew" for certain yesterday isn't always what they know for certain today.

I'm not saying science is a bad thing but...I don't put 100% faith into it either.
I'm gonna make a token effort to flip your perspective and say that it's more likely that science releases new findings and the media grabs it and runs with it as fact.

My semi-relevant example would be the global cooling panic in the 70s. That was proposed by a small group and the majority of climate research at the time still pointed to a warming trend, but the media ran with it as "Scientists say..."
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Old 08-30-2019, 12:31 PM   #327 (permalink)
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This is what I have a problem with. They adjusted the buoy data up. Why? because it "introduced a spurious cooling bias". Bullshit.

From that article:

"NOAA argues that the transition to buoys introduced a spurious cooling bias into the record. ERIs tend to warm the water a bit before measuring it (ship engine rooms being rather hot), whereas buoys do not. They identify a bias of around 0.1 C between buoys and ERIs and remove it by adjusting buoy records up to match ERI records in ERSST v4"
I would agree that it makes more sense to adjust the old records down by 0.1C, but perhaps they were worried people would get bent out of shape when the data they presented didn't match historical record data.
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Old 08-30-2019, 12:37 PM   #328 (permalink)
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Are scientists who study climate change the only researches you don't trust?

Pretty much every study has to have grant money to fund it.
There's a celebrity engineer masquerading as a science guy telling people there are 37 genders. Now, that's not entirely relevant here, other than to show propagandist come in all kinds of clothes, including scientist lab coats.
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Old 08-30-2019, 12:39 PM   #329 (permalink)
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There's a celebrity engineer masquerading as a science guy telling people there are 37 genders. Now, that's not entirely relevant here, other than to show propagandist come in all kinds of clothes, including scientist lab coats.
Point taken. We have to make sure we're vetting our sources
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Old 08-30-2019, 12:40 PM   #330 (permalink)
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I'm gonna make a token effort to flip your perspective and say that it's more likely that science releases new findings and the media grabs it and runs with it as fact.

My semi-relevant example would be the global cooling panic in the 70s. That was proposed by a small group and the majority of climate research at the time still pointed to a warming trend, but the media ran with it as "Scientists say..."
One form of science says the universe was created from a big bang. Thermodynamics say you cannot create matter from no matter.

Again, I'm not saying science is a bad thing. Without it, we'd still be living in caves. What I am saying is to be skeptical because those with an agenda have figured out how to push it using "science". That goes for both sides.
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This is what I have a problem with. They adjusted the buoy data up. Why? because it "introduced a spurious cooling bias". Bullshit.

From that article:

"NOAA argues that the transition to buoys introduced a spurious cooling bias into the record. ERIs tend to warm the water a bit before measuring it (ship engine rooms being rather hot), whereas buoys do not. They identify a bias of around 0.1 C between buoys and ERIs and remove it by adjusting buoy records up to match ERI records in ERSST v4"
Why is it bullshit?
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Old 08-30-2019, 12:46 PM   #332 (permalink)
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Overall, globally, it makes more sense that warming causes more CO2. No one can disprove that, so they won't try.
Utter nonsense. And even if it did make sense, CO2 is still a greenhouse gas, and as such must trap heat and cause a warming trend. If warmer climate does indeed also cause more CO2, then there's the feed back loop that scientists fear could cause a runaway warming trend.
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Thermodynamics say you cannot create matter from no matter.
No it doesn't

Besides, Big Bang basically says everything appears to have come from a single point in spacetime without saying anything about why or how it appeared. It could have been God for all we know.
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No it doesn't

Besides, Big Bang basically says everything appears to have come from a single point in spacetime without saying anything about why or how it appeared. It could have been God for all we know.
You give yourself way too much credit....


Why don't you catch the next flight and run over there and piss on the rain forest. Never know...you might just save humanity.
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No it doesn't

Besides, Big Bang basically says everything appears to have come from a single point in spacetime without saying anything about why or how it appeared. It could have been God for all we know.
He's talking about the laws of thermodynamics which are applicable on Earth when discussing matter cannot be created or destroyed but can only change it's phase/form.

And you're grasping at straws so hard you grabbed the Big Bang and want to use it to argue about global warming?

Are we being Punk'd? Are you Ashton Kutcher??
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He's talking about the laws of thermodynamics which are applicable on Earth when discussing matter cannot be created or destroyed but can only change it's phase/form.

And you're grasping at straws so hard you grabbed the Big Bang and want to use it to argue about global warming?

Are we being Punk'd? Are you Ashton Kutcher??
Shhhhhhh...let him go. He's wrapping up a Friday quite well


I think its really funny when a liberal results to throwing God in as a possibility.
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He's talking about the laws of thermodynamics which are applicable on Earth when discussing matter cannot be created or destroyed but can only change it's phase/form.
And he's wrong, and so are you. Matter and energy are interchangeable. And it's energy that can only change form (matter being one such form).

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And you're grasping at straws so hard you grabbed the Big Bang and want to use it to argue about global warming?
I didn't bring it up. I'm just the one who responded to yet another false statement made by someone who thinks something he doesn't understand is stupid.
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And he's wrong, and so are you. Matter and energy are interchangeable. And it's energy that can only change form (matter being one such form).

I didn't bring it up. I'm just the one who responded to yet another false statement made by someone who thinks something he doesn't understand is stupid.
Pepsi through the nose....you bastard.

I bet you're a hoot at the family reunions at the local trailer park.
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Utter nonsense. And even if it did make sense, CO2 is still a greenhouse gas, and as such must trap heat and cause a warming trend. If warmer climate does indeed also cause more CO2, then there's the feed back loop that scientists fear could cause a runaway warming trend.
The fact that you use the term greenhouse gas says everything. You are out of your element.
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The fact that you use the term greenhouse gas says everything. You are out of your element.
Jesus jones, would you rather he had said infrared absorbing and reflecting gas instead? Greenhouse is a great metaphor and way easier to type.

Also, it's carbon and oxygen, so wouldn't he be out of his elements?

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Pepsi through the nose....you bastard.
Pepsi? What are you, a twelve year old girl?
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Point taken. We have to make sure we're vetting our sources
That's a joke. They can't even be honest about the sea level.
The marker in NYC is attached to an Island MADE OUT OF GARBAGE, and is sinking.

They do not account for the distance changes related to the atmosphere EXPANDING and contracting with solar activity, this changes the distance between the satellite and the ground or ocean surface.

The whole global warming/MAN MADE climate change is a bullshit lie. The hole in the ozone was not make by hairspray and R-12. It was made by blowing nuclear bombs in a low earth orbit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-a...lear_explosion
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They do not account for the distance changes related to the atmosphere EXPANDING and contracting with solar activity, this changes the distance between the satellite and the ground or ocean surface.
The atmosphere has an effect on satellite altitudes? You heard it here folks
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Pepsi? What are you, a twelve year old girl?
I wasn't aware that Pepsi is sold only to tweenage girls, and a quick fact check shows that actually the majority of Pepsi is consumed by adults, which is a direct contravention of your statement.

It seems you're about as credible on the matter of who consumes Pepsi as you are on the science of climate change.
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And he's wrong, and so are you. Matter and energy are interchangeable. And it's energy that can only change form (matter being one such form).

I didn't bring it up. I'm just the one who responded to yet another false statement made by someone who thinks something he doesn't understand is stupid.

Where is Screwy to back up your delusions.
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Matter and energy are interchangeable. And it's energy that can only change form (matter being one such form).
WTF are you smoking dude?
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If warmer climate does indeed also cause more CO2, then there's the feed back loop that scientists fear could cause a runaway warming trend.
positive or negative?
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I'm gonna make a token effort to flip your perspective and say that it's more likely that science releases new findings and the media grabs it and runs with it as fact.

My semi-relevant example would be the global cooling panic in the 70s. That was proposed by a small group and the majority of climate research at the time still pointed to a warming trend, but the media ran with it as "Scientists say..."
What if the media was run by people like you, being manipulated by those with an agenda?
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What if the media was run by people like you, being manipulated by those with an agenda?
it's not a what if

humans give themselves entirely too much credit in the race to be the first to have it all figured out
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