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Old 09-11-2019, 10:05 PM   #1 (permalink)
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What do you think this day brings to GWB?

That guy went through some shit on 9/11/01. We all remember where we are, but damn, talk about a stress test.
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Just watched a History Channel (so take that into account), about how FUBAR comms were during the attacks.
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He shouldn't have been that stressed out, since he likely helped plan it

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I kind of doubt that he was just the patsy for his Saudi Brother Bandar Bush
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Hah they had a piece on history last night showing what happened in air force one during the attacks. They were pretty paranoid the whole time that they were a target & were threatened directly at one point.

They were told there was a shooter on the end of the runway before they took off in Florida. They couldn't get an escort because of communication issues, and were flying at 45,000 ft since they didn't know how many commercial planes were hijacked. etc pretty wacky time.
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Old 09-12-2019, 06:18 AM   #7 (permalink)
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You know, Martin Scorsese got in a bunch of shit for his portrayal of GWB in the movie he made. But he stated many times that during his research for the movie, his assessment kept coming back that GWB was a good hearted guy, overwhelmed with two massively historical events that happened under his watch.

GWB made the mistake of surrounding himself with old-guard, warhawk, neo-cons who guided him incorrectly through his mistakes as a president. He made the wrong decision on Iraq and made the exactly wrong decision on the financial crisis of 2006. He had the right intentions but, as history has shown, made the wrong decisions.

Which is pretty much how he will be remembered.
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Old 09-12-2019, 06:44 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Old 09-12-2019, 06:52 AM   #9 (permalink)
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I'm not saying Bush lied, people died, but he's got a lot of death on his scoresheet. If I was him and religious I'd be concerned. Like if people that believe a lot of the afterlife mumbo jumbo think I'm going to hell? He's all forgiven and off the hook because of Christs sacrifice? I dunno man.
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Old 09-12-2019, 07:17 AM   #11 (permalink)
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You know, Martin Scorsese got in a bunch of shit for his portrayal of GWB in the movie he made. But he stated many times that during his research for the movie, his assessment kept coming back that GWB was a good hearted guy, overwhelmed with two massively historical events that happened under his watch.

GWB made the mistake of surrounding himself with old-guard, warhawk, neo-cons who guided him incorrectly through his mistakes as a president. He made the wrong decision on Iraq and made the exactly wrong decision on the financial crisis of 2006. He had the right intentions but, as history has shown, made the wrong decisions.

Which is pretty much how he will be remembered.
I pretty much agree with this. He got hit with a challenge that no president before or after has had, other than Pearl Harbor WWII. Even Pearl Harbor was off continent and not a civilian attack. There are things about him I don't like but he has my admiration that he wanted to be at the White House and wouldn't allow the terrorists to drive him into hiding. He handled the first couple days as good as any president could.

I too watched the History Channel special and am utterly amazed that we have (or had) no ability to protect Airforce 1 over American soil. It shows how complacent, confident and stoopid we were that American soil was untouchable.

It also occurred to me that the terrorists missed a golden chance. They only hijacked 4 planes. I don't know how many people that took but 20??? If they had put more resources behind the plan, they could have hit a dozen major cities while we sat looking befuddled.
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W was in the wrong place at the wrong time. He took office on a surplus at the height of the dotcom and housing bubbles. Clinton had spent 8 years reducing the size of our military and we weren't really involved in any overseas conflicts. He should have had a fairly easy presidency and he surrounded himself with experienced people to advise him to make up for his shortcomings.

9/11 happened more or less out of nowhere and Bush had too much trust in people who didn't have this country's best interests in mind after the attacks and saw an opportunity to capitalize on more wars and the implementation of a surveillance state. Statitsts had the perfect storm of opportunity, political climate, a gullible President, and a populace blinded by grief and patriotism and were able to push through a lot of bullshit that's had devastating effects on privacy, personal liberty, ect in the last 18 years.

Had 9/11 not happened the Bush Presidency would likely have looked a lot different and history would probably remember him better. He was generally interested in helping people, especially in Africa and has done a ton of work over there since leaving office. He's charismatic and a people person who genuinely seems to care about anyone he talks to. Not the best person to have in office during a crisis and a financial meltdown that's at a tipping point unfortunately.
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It also occurred to me that the terrorists missed a golden chance. They only hijacked 4 planes. I don't know how many people that took but 20??? If they had put more resources behind the plan, they could have hit a dozen major cities while we sat looking befuddled.
Terrorists knew it would only take 4 planes to drastically change our country for the worse. They weren’t stupid. Look at how much we’ve lost in the false sense of security. When I was in Philadelphia for a layover there were fucking Muslims working for TSA. Talked about making my blood boil.

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I pretty much agree with this. He got hit with a challenge that no president before or after has had, other than Pearl Harbor WWII. Even Pearl Harbor was off continent and not a civilian attack. There are things about him I don't like but he has my admiration that he wanted to be at the White House and wouldn't allow the terrorists to drive him into hiding. He handled the first couple days as good as any president could.

I too watched the History Channel special and am utterly amazed that we have (or had) no ability to protect Airforce 1 over American soil. It shows how complacent, confident and stoopid we were that American soil was untouchable.

It also occurred to me that the terrorists missed a golden chance. They only hijacked 4 planes. I don't know how many people that took but 20??? If they had put more resources behind the plan, they could have hit a dozen major cities while we sat looking befuddled.
I agree with this assessment. It's easy to "Monday morning quarterback" 9/11, but I highly doubt anyone here ragging on Bush would have handled it anywhere near as well as he did.
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I agree with this assessment. It's easy to "Monday morning quarterback" 9/11, but I highly doubt anyone here ragging on Bush would have handled it anywhere near as well as he did.
We certainly couldn’t have done any worse.
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I agree with this assessment. It's easy to "Monday morning quarterback" 9/11, but I highly doubt anyone here ragging on Bush would have handled it anywhere near as well as he did.
Oh crap, I agree with SDCJ?
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We certainly couldn’t have done any worse.
You think Al Gore would have done better?

I'll take GWB over Al Gore any day.

Pearl Harbor was cut and dried. Act of war from a nation state. Nuked them into defeat 4 years later.


Al Qaieda is/was a whole 'nother ball of wax, far more complex. Act of war from a group of terrorists that is decentralized and dispersed.

I will say, things might have gone differently had the US stayed focused on finding and killing Bin Laden/Al Qaieda/Taliban, rather than getting side tracked in Iraq.

I did 2 tours in Iraq and 1 in Afghanistan. If you'd told me in 2001 that we (the US) would still be playing whack-a-terrorist nearly 20 years later, wouldn't have believed it.
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It is Dove season, he is out on his ranch in his pickup shooting shit giving 0 fucks as it should be.

The Air Force one documentary last night was good, Bush and Cheney were freaking out as they actually thought they had shot down the penciltuckey aircraft. All they knew was the plane was down and they had given the order to shoot down any commercial aircraft not squawking a transponder, it wasn't till later that they found out the passengers rushed the cockpit.
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It is Dove season, he is out on his ranch in his pickup shooting shit giving 0 fucks as it should be.

The Air Force one documentary last night was good, Bush and Cheney were freaking out as they actually thought they had shot down the penciltuckey aircraft. All they knew was the plane was down and they had given the order to shoot down any commercial aircraft not squawking a transponder, it wasn't till later that they found out the passengers rushed the cockpit.
Yup. Whether you agree with that order he gave or not it did take big balls to give it. In no way do I believe Bush was crass and didn't give a fuck about the possible consequences of that order.
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You think Al Gore would have done better?
Made no mention of Al Gore. Not sure where the fuck you got that. Please read what I wrote next time you quote me.
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Made no mention of Al Gore. Not sure where the fuck you got that. Please read what I wrote next time you quote me.
No, his comment to you was very appropriate. Al Gore would have been the other person if it wasn't GWB. It's you that lacks reading/thinking ability.
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