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Old 09-16-2019, 01:46 PM   #1 (permalink)
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over the weekend loaded up the family for a camping trip. first one out with all of us (thewife, 4,3,1 and i). we were camping about about ~7800' and the temps were probably in the mid 40s when i was trying to make breakfast. i had the moral dilemma of make coffee or feed my kids. i would like to avoid this in the future, so was it too cold for the propane to evaporate fast enough?
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Nope, propane boils at -44ish degrees

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What problems were you having? Sounds like a regulator issue, but I don't think I've been at 8500' either. However, I have cooked in much colder temps with no problem.
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Nope, you were at 8500' which is going to hurt output of the stove. You could also have a gas flow issue, should have plenty of bottle pressure but if the internal filter on the stove is crusty it's not gonna run right. Could also be a bad valve on the bottle.

Was this a 1lb cylinder stove or were you using a 20lb tank?
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this but not as nice from being bounced around the dezert for years. 1lb bottle

ive cooked with it at KOH in cold temps, but it was always just for myself. so i would make coffee, then breakfast. essentially single burner use. one burner functioned normal, but soon as i turned the second one on it would fall on its face. tried a half full tank, full tank, almost empty tank. if i shook the bottle both burners would run well, but then fall on their face when i stopped shaking. also i just checked, i was probably closer to the 7800'
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You need a liquid gas stove, I have a multi fuel that runs regular gas or coleman fuel. They are a few more $$ than propane but work way better in the cold. Propane canister stoves don't work for shit in colder temps.
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will a 5 gallon fair better?
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this but not as nice from being bounced around the dezert for years. 1lb bottle

ive cooked with it at KOH in cold temps, but it was always just for myself. so i would make coffee, then breakfast. essentially single burner use. one burner functioned normal, but soon as i turned the second one on it would fall on its face. tried a half full tank, full tank, almost empty tank. if i shook the bottle both burners would run well, but then fall on their face when i stopped shaking. also i just checked, i was probably closer to the 7800'
I have had that same stove for 20 years. I have been all over, up to 10,500', cold, hot, snow camping, and it has always worked very well. Higher altitudes effect efficiency, but not flow. Cold should not effect anything. Maybe your lines are clogged and freezing up? I think you have a bad regulator or clogged lines and/or filter.
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will a 5 gallon fair better?
All else being equal, YES! You were burning the vapor off faster than the liquid in the bottle could boil to vapor. The more surface area there is, the faster the propane can boil. That's why shaking it up made it work better. You were artificially increasing the surface area in the bottle. Bigger bottle = more surface area...
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I have had that same stove for 20 years. I have been all over, up to 10,500', cold, hot, snow camping, and it has always worked very well. Higher altitudes effect efficiency, but not flow. Cold should not effect anything. Maybe your lines are clogged and freezing up? I think you have a bad regulator or clogged lines and/or filter.
Propane looses pressure as it gets colder, those little canisters can't hold enough pressure long enough even mostly full. It's a combination of the small canister and low pressure with the lower temps. A large propane tank would probably help, but coleman fuel( or white gas) or regular gasoline stoves work fine in the cold. I have a small single burner multi fuel I carry in the winter in Montana.
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I got tired of the Coleman two burner and buying the 1 lb canisters so I picked up one of those dual fuel Coleman's. Lasted 2 trips before something went wrong with it and I ended up with a 6 foot tall flame. Also wasn't a fan of not enough surface area. Ended up buying one of those 2 burner camp chef ones with legs. Thing is amazing. Hi heat is almost worthless because of how much heat it puts out. Maybe 5 minutes to boil 3 gallons of water, and I end up using it at home for homebrewing and canning and stuff. Been going strong for probably 4 or 5 years now and when I'm not camping it's set up on the deck for when I don't want to heat up the house cooking inside.
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You need a liquid gas stove, I have a multi fuel that runs regular gas or coleman fuel. They are a few more $$ than propane but work way better in the cold. Propane canister stoves don't work for shit in colder temps.
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I have given up on anything made by Coleman. It's all junk these days.
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Place the 1 lb bottle atop one of the burners. Will help it vaporize.
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I got tired of the Coleman two burner and buying the 1 lb canisters so I picked up one of those dual fuel Coleman's. Lasted 2 trips before something went wrong with it and I ended up with a 6 foot tall flame. Also wasn't a fan of not enough surface area. Ended up buying one of those 2 burner camp chef ones with legs. Thing is amazing. Hi heat is almost worthless because of how much heat it puts out. Maybe 5 minutes to boil 3 gallons of water, and I end up using it at home for homebrewing and canning and stuff. Been going strong for probably 4 or 5 years now and when I'm not camping it's set up on the deck for when I don't want to heat up the house cooking inside.


Buddy I camp with has one. Same opinion.


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Find them at garage sales in elderly neighborhoods. Loots of deals to be had on well cared for 50ís-70ís Coleman stuff.


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Yep, fuel is the way to go. I still use a four burner Coleman dual fuel cook stove and a couple of lanterns easily 50 years old my dad used camping when I was a kid. They still work like champs.

I still have a couple Coleman fuel catalytic tent heaters that seem to work fine, but Iím not willing to use them in a tent anymore. I use a Mr. Heater Buddy with a 5 gallon tank adapter and rigged a grommet in the tent, so the tank stays outside.

I have a little one burner fuel stove, 30 years old I used for backpacking thatís still put to regular use.
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I have given up on anything made by Coleman. It's all junk these days.
Thatís why you hit Craigslist and buy the ďvintageĒ old school stuff



I had a wild hair a couple years ago and bought up a few older two burners, and a couple lanterns. All of my outdoor cooking and illumination needs have been met
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Place the 1 lb bottle atop one of the burners. Will help it vaporize.
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My Coleman stove instructions came at 11 with one that took fuel or gas ďI only use one burner because the second takes from the firstĒ
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I found 4 of those old Coleman liquid fuel stoves up in the loft of my parents garage. 2 look brand new.
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I found 4 of those old Coleman liquid fuel stoves up in the loft of my parents garage. 2 look brand new.
When we went through my grandparents place, I found a old stove in the crawl space above the garage. Iíd have to do a little research, but I think it may date back to the Oklahoma dust bowl days (thatís when they came out west). After a little cleaning it fired right up
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I live at higher altitude than that and use all kinds of stoves and if they don't work right it's not because its a propane bottle fueling it. I fill those little bottles off a bigger bottle too. I like the 2 burner propane stoves that have a 3 ft or so hose between the stove and the propane bottle the best. I can cook on 1 side and brew coffee with my Coleman drip campstove coffee maker on the other burner with no issues. I've done it at treeline which is usually around 11,000 feet here so the altitude theory is wrong.
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just separate them and run two tanks
https://www.amazon.com/Coleman-QuikP.../dp/B004E4IAEQ
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https://www.llbean.com/llb/shop/1196...ner-camp-stove

Undefined taco got this camp chef stove last year and I won’t look at Colman anymore. I think he got it cheeper on amazon. It will way outperform the Colman. Also use 2x the propane.
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Yep, fuel is the way to go. I still use a four burner Coleman dual fuel cook stove and a couple of lanterns easily 50 years old my dad used camping when I was a kid. They still work like champs.



I still have a couple Coleman fuel catalytic tent heaters that seem to work fine, but Iím not willing to use them in a tent anymore. I use a Mr. Heater Buddy with a 5 gallon tank adapter and rigged a grommet in the tent, so the tank stays outside.



I have a little one burner fuel stove, 30 years old I used for backpacking thatís still put to regular use.


I have one of those catalytic heaters as well. I have used it in a tent with a vestibule by keeping it in the vestibule and leaving the very top of the tent door unzipped and screen kept closed. We then put a battery powered carbon monoxide detector inside the tent. Never gone off but has kept us warm when the weather took a shit and dropped almost 30 degrees in the forecast for a hunting week.


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