Is Trump Killing CARB?

[Juztyn00]

Originally Posted by GTOffroader

What happened to state's rights? Oh right, that only applies to GOP backed policies.

Originally Posted by Mikel

As much as like to annoy the CA ruling class, it's a 10th Amendment issue and should be decided by the states.... Same as 90% of what the feds do.

CA can still do whatever they want, What Trump is doing is rolling back Obama era Federal regulation that makes the Fed mirror CARB standards.. In other words, the rest of the country can do what they want too...

[dntsdad]

Fuck CARB and their regulations on everything from what lawnmower I can buy, red sticker/green sticker, gas cans, making it ridiculously difficult to swap a NEWER, CLEANER motor into a older vehicle, and on and on.

If Trump gutted them, he gets my vote.

[Thepanzerfuhrer]

Haha next on his list of shit he can do to piss in the lefties Wheaties is to use the epa to fine California cities who are discharging human waste in the storm sewers from the rampant homeless population. If the trumpster can clean up the homeless problem on California’s coast he could get a few more votes.

[clb 017]

Not fast enough

[brantb]

Originally Posted by Thepanzerfuhrer

Haha next on his list of shit he can do to piss in the lefties Wheaties is to use the epa to fine California cities who are discharging human waste in the storm sewers from the rampant homeless population. If the trumpster can clean up the homeless problem on California’s coast he could get a few more votes.

You called it. I didnt actually read the article.

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...-stemming-from

[Provience]

good

[D-RAT]

Originally Posted by Shadow man

So you people in Cali are fine with CARB going away? I know they screwed you bad on the Diesel emission report years ago.

Wrong. You know I won't defend California, but a fact is a fact.
Mainly from the SSW in the summer and NNE in the winter. Like RIGHT now this very minute.

And the canyon isn't likely smoggy today. When the jet stream dips and blows out of SoCal, it gets thick up there.

I spend a lot of time up there and own land nearby....don't really give a shit what your little graphic says.

[rockyota83]

everyone likes to talk shit about where i live but at least i can breathe

Lake County has been ranked by the American Lung Association as having the cleanest air in the nation, including in 2013, 2014 and 2015.[13] Lake County has also been ranked twenty-four times as having the cleanest air in California

[Weasel]

Originally Posted by rockyota83

its a gas can spout, gas comes out of it, it works perfect and doesnt spill shit. i have several of them, tired of hearing people bitch about gas cans when you can go down to your local walmart and buy one that works perfect

nail in the back by the handle works just as good and I don't have to buy anything.

[rockyota83]

Originally Posted by Weasel

nail in the back by the handle works just as good and I don't have to buy anything.

and it will leak when in the back of a truck going down a rough dirt road, and lose a bunch to vapor loss, and allow moisture in

[sidewaysstarion]

Originally Posted by gt1guy

There actually kind of is....sort of. The mountains east of the LA basin keep all the smog from the LA basin in the LA basin. Add in 20-30 million people and cars and you have a gas chamber that would make the Nazi's proud.

That explains the whole reason Volkswagen was sending up dirty diesels...

[Jacob 1976]

The whole diesel industry is looking at this totally different than guys over here and I can’t totally figure out why. It was explained to me over on CompD that

“With trump taking away funding from the epa they are forced to go after the ‘low hanging fruit’ and they’ve been shutting down tuning companies and shops that perform delete services to make up funding by enforcing laws that have technically been around since the smog issues in the 70s”

If you do some reading on all the diesel shops that have been raided and shut down recently it is rather scary. Hell, I personally know the owners of two different shops, one in Michigan and one in the Denver area, that we’re raided with armed federal agents. They came in like that scene in the first “fast and furious” when they go after that Asian dude. That scene is what both guys compared it to.

So where does this go? I mean Trump is lowering standards so the epa is acting like a cornered animal and going after anything it can. I really have no idea what is gonna happen next. Until the epa gets shut down completely or the states truly get their rights back I have no clue where this is heading.

[siduramaxde]

And then you have this "California fire experts estimate that the blazes that devastated Northern California's wine country in October 2017 emitted as much CO2 in one week as all of California's cars and trucks do over the course of a year."

Maybe California should not worry about CARB so much and start managing the forests to prevent more fires

[Provience]

Originally Posted by Jacob 1976

The whole diesel industry is looking at this totally different than guys over here and I can’t totally figure out why. It was explained to me over on CompD that

“With trump taking away funding from the epa they are forced to go after the ‘low hanging fruit’ and they’ve been shutting down tuning companies and shops that perform delete services to make up funding by enforcing laws that have technically been around since the smog issues in the 70s”

If you do some reading on all the diesel shops that have been raided and shut down recently it is rather scary. Hell, I personally know the owners of two different shops, one in Michigan and one in the Denver area, that we’re raided with armed federal agents. They came in like that scene in the first “fast and furious” when they go after that Asian dude. That scene is what both guys compared it to.

So where does this go? I mean Trump is lowering standards so the epa is acting like a cornered animal and going after anything it can. I really have no idea what is gonna happen next. Until the epa gets shut down completely or the states truly get their rights back I have no clue where this is heading.

two different issues

[Jacob 1976]

Originally Posted by Provience

two different issues

You mean as far as the EPA crack downs and CARB being killed off? Or diesel tuners getting raided from the decades old “tampering with emissions equipment” laws?

[Provience]

Originally Posted by Jacob 1976

You mean as far as the EPA crack downs and CARB being killed off? Or diesel tuners getting raided from the decades old “tampering with emissions equipment” laws?

i mean the raids on the epa/carb divorce

the raids are bullshit, but they are bullshit for many other reasons. anybody saying they exist because trump cut funding is a god damn loon trying way too hard to tie their misfortune with orange man bad

[crashnzuk]

Originally Posted by KacksterK5

In an argument on FB about this. (as much as you can bee in an "argument" with a lefty)

It's all a money grab out there by CA.gov that spends money poorly.

You have a high emissions vehicle, you pay extra to drive it. Same amount of emissions, they just cost more money. You have an old vehicle that's CARB exempt, you pay extra to register it, same emissions, just cost more money. I'd argue that a piece of the purchase price of every car goes into the stupid research car companies have to do to be able to sell a car in Cali.

We have emissions testing here in MD too. It's horribly frustrating and again, just a money grab. $14 to have your shit tested, if it passes you're good for 2.5 years. If it fails, you have 180 days to fix it and another $14 to test it. If it fails again and you pay to test it. You show receipts for the work you did or parts you bought, if they add up to $150 you get to pay for an exemption and you drive around pumping smog. No reduction in smog. It's all a fucking joke.

Cash for clunkers did more for emissions than anything else. It ruined the cheap car fleet in the country but all those smog pumpers are off the road at least...

$14 whole dollars huh? I just spent $80 to test my '87 K/5 This place sucks.
Travis..

[Beat95YJ]

Originally Posted by KacksterK5

In an argument on FB about this. (as much as you can bee in an "argument" with a lefty)

It's all a money grab out there by CA.gov that spends money poorly.

You have a high emissions vehicle, you pay extra to drive it. Same amount of emissions, they just cost more money. You have an old vehicle that's CARB exempt, you pay extra to register it, same emissions, just cost more money. I'd argue that a piece of the purchase price of every car goes into the stupid research car companies have to do to be able to sell a car in Cali.

We have emissions testing here in MD too. It's horribly frustrating and again, just a money grab. $14 to have your shit tested, if it passes you're good for 2.5 years. If it fails, you have 180 days to fix it and another $14 to test it. If it fails again and you pay to test it. You show receipts for the work you did or parts you bought, if they add up to $150 you get to pay for an exemption and you drive around pumping smog. No reduction in smog. It's all a fucking joke.

Cash for clunkers did more for emissions than anything else. It ruined the cheap car fleet in the country but all those smog pumpers are off the road at least...

My 2015 Sienna costs a ton more to reg than my 67 ford or 04 Jeep. Worst cash grab ever.

[Haole]

Originally Posted by D_JEEPER

California: YOU'RE KILLING THE ENVIRONMENT YOU NAZI SCUM!

Also California: *people shitting in the gutters and shooting up in the streets, massive amounts of smog*

Compared to the 70's, there's not massive amounts of smog.

[Roc Doc]

Originally Posted by Haole

Compared to the 70's, there's not massive amounts of smog.

And there's what like 10 million people in LA county now, vs. 7 mil in 1970, and the plan wasn't just tailpipe emissions, it was lighter fluid, tire design, fireplaces, etc., and it worked, and then there was that gas additive, MBPA or something, that worked great, but it contaminated the ground water, whoops.

It's diminishing returns for sure. A '72 Polara put out as much as 100 or more modern EFI/catalyst cars, and the mfgs have adapted to make this the real golden performance age, but how much lower can they go, not much of course. Electric cars don't have tail pipe emissions, but their tires do, and the manufacturing process of the batteries is dirty. Science will figure it out.

[det107]

Originally Posted by KacksterK5

We have emissions testing here in MD too; $14 to have your shit tested, if it passes you're good for 2.5 years. If it fails, you have 180 days to fix it and another $14 to test it. If it fails again and you pay to test it. You show receipts for the work you did or parts you bought, if they add up to $150 you get to pay for an exemption and you drive around pumping smog...

*For light vehicles, 1996 & up...

Upstate NY has annual inspections for $21.00.
Breakdown is~
$11.00 for emission testing (OBD2)
$10.00 for safety checks

If one fails the emissions, $450.00 max to fix within 30 days. Fail again, get a waiver good enough for another year.

In the big city & surrounding counties fall under NYMA (New York Metropolitan Areas), $37.00 a year.
$27.00 for emissions
$10.00 for safety.
The inspection stations have at least one exhaust proctologist, the tech inserts a long tube "up there" to get readings.

Maryland sounds like a cheap place to live-