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Old 09-20-2019, 08:35 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Vermont Air National Guard Receives First F35s

Pretty cool. Although the liberal greenies stomped their feet.

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(MONTPELIER, Vt.) — The Vermont Air National Guard is due to take delivery of the first two of what will become 20 F-35 fighter aircrafts, the first guard unit to receive the next-generation fighter.

The aircraft will be based at the Burlington International Airport and are being flown to Vermont on Thursday from the factory in Fort Worth, Texas.

The delivery follows years of hard work, planning and missions in the guard’s previous aircraft, F-16s that flew continuously for weeks over New York after the 9/11 attacks and in multiple combat tours in Iraq and other areas of the Middle East.

“The F-35 coming into Burlington really secures our mission and our future for, you are talking the next three or four decades, and that allows us to serve our nation, but also to be ready to serve our state as well,” Col. David Smith, the commander of the 158th Fighter Wing that is the new home to the F-35s, said before they arrived.


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But for some members of the community, the arrival of noisier aircraft marks the failure of years-long efforts to keep the Air Force from delivering the planes to an airport located among residential neighborhoods and industrial complexes in the middle of Vermont’s most populous county.


Rosanne Greco, the former chair of the South Burlington City Council and a retired Air Force colonel, said she supported basing the plane in her home city until she learned by reading the Air Force’s environmental impact statement about how noisy the F-35 is and what she feels are the dangers of having a new, unproven weapon system at a suburban airport.

“All I had to do was read what the Air Force said about the impact it would have,” Greco said. “The evidence was overwhelming it would have a very negative effect on close to 7,000 people” who live near the airport.
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Smith said the Air National Guard understands the concerns of the community. The guard has modified the traffic patterns the planes will use and checked the take-off times to minimize noise disruptions. As to safety, he said that so far more than 400 F-35s have been delivered and the planes have accumulated more than 200,000 flying hours.

“It’s really important to us too to do everything we can to mitigate the impact on the community,” he said.

The Air Force describes the F-35 as its fifth-generation fighter, combining stealth technology with speed and agility. Different models are being built for the Air Force, Navy and Marines, and are being sold to American allies across the world.

It is also the U.S. military’s most expensive weapons system of all time, with an estimated total cost of $1.5 trillion over the expected half-century life of the program. The model of the planes that will be based in Burlington cost about $94 million each.

Assigning F-35s, which are designed to replace a number of aging fighter models, to Vermont shows the days are long gone when Air National Guard units received hand-me-down aircraft while new planes went exclusively to active duty Air Force units, said Ian Bryan, a retired Tennessee Air National Guard pilot who worked in Washington as a legislative liaison with the National Guard Bureau.

He said Vermont, and the guard, are at the forefront of learning how to make the best use of the new airplanes.

“Ten years from now, we need to have figured out how to use this F-35 thing and it’s going to be the lead as the wings fall off some of these old airplanes,” Bryan said.
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never realized how chubby the f35 looks compared to the f22


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never realized how chubby the f35 looks compared to the f22
It's just following the ballooning trend of the average American.
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It's just following the ballooning trend of the average American.
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It's just following the ballooning trend of the average American.
Yea, its the easy access to McDs!


I'd imagine all the ever evolving electronic countermeasure equip is responsible for some of that waistline.

Interesting that there is less rear of the pilot window area. Kinda going backwards on that- looks more P47 and less P51. Must be a back up camera!
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I'd imagine all the ever evolving electronic countermeasure equip is responsible for some of that waistline.

Interesting that there is less rear of the pilot window area. Kinda going backwards on that- looks more P47 and less P51. Must be a back up camera!
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moar turbine!
ducted fan actually.
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ducted fan actually.



"in a ducted fan the blades produce the thrust, just as a propeller does. Whereas in a turbine, the blades dont actually produce the thrust, they compress the air "


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lol.


gearbox issues in the future will be fun for maintainers I'm guessing.

but it did solve the problem the government set forth in the requirements, which were fully fucktarded and ever changing, but hey, that's government for you these days.

it's not their money.

I have to wonder though, have all the active duty forces received all the deliveries and stood up all the squadrons, and if not, how does the national guard get f35's?
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gearbox issues in the future will be fun for maintainers I'm guessing.

but it did solve the problem the government set forth in the requirements, which were fully fucktarded and ever changing, but hey, that's government for you these days.

it's not their money.

I have to wonder though, have all the active duty forces received all the deliveries and stood up all the squadrons, and if not, how does the national guard get f35's?
Find out who their senators are and if they are on the Armed Services Committee
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the days are long gone when Air National Guard units received hand-me-down aircraft while new planes went exclusively to active duty Air Force units,
Deficit much?
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I'm not scared. I know one of the engineers that designed them. Everything he builds is idiot proof.

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Find out who their senators are and if they are on the Armed Services Committee
Patrick Leahy and Bernie Sanders? Highly doubt those two pieces of garbage have the military in mind.

Vermont Air National Guard played a big role during and post 9/11. It is one of the major players in defending the east coast.
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I've got idiots here that can prove otherwise
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Deficit much?
They needed to build more F-35s to make the unit cost lower and thus make the program look like less of a failure.

Spending more money so it looks like you saved money.
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Deficit much?
hell if the state is paying full price for them instead of $1 hand-down, have at it
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They needed to build more F-35s to make the unit cost lower and thus make the program look like less of a failure.

Spending more money so it looks like you saved money.
Plus, when they say an FA/22 costs $150m as a unit cost, it's really closer to $220m, spare parts, escalating costs, development, etc., when you add up the total program costs and divide by number of units delivered. $150m is best case scenario...like that's not a whole fuckton of money.
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I cannot find my pictures of a f35 parked next to a f22. They were at the Eaa last year I believe. It was like Cindy Crawford standing next to Amy Schumer. I could not believe how fat the f35 was.
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They needed to build more F-35s to make the unit cost lower and thus make the program look like less of a failure.

Spending more money so it looks like you saved money.
Agreed, (even though I was on the losing side of that fly-off) the F-35 need to demonstrate a high mission percentage, prove the new kids can maintain them and blow up some bad guys.

I really want the SW border states to field Apaches again, Shithawks are great pickup up trucks, An Apache in a hover with a 30mm cannon pointed at you gets the point across.
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Plus, when they say an FA/22 costs $150m as a unit cost, it's really closer to $220m, spare parts, escalating costs, development, etc., when you add up the total program costs and divide by number of units delivered. $150m is best case scenario...like that's not a whole fuckton of money.
The real money comes in the maintenance down the road. The initial cost is a drop in the bucket.
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Deficit much?
But, isn't the 35 already an obsolete jet fighter?
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