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Old 09-23-2019, 01:49 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Who knew such a thing existed. They are calling their 3rd special meeting in it's 145 year history.

clifs. China is declared a developing country. The USPS loses money on every package delivered from china. I agree that poor/developing countries should get a break on charges but china is not one of them. Trump says that if we do not get a raise in fees from china the US will be leaving the UPU October 1st.

I kinda agree with trump on this one. We should not be subsidizing china shipping into the US.

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An obscure, century-old global pact is at risk of losing its most important signatory—a shift that could increase the prices consumers pay for holiday shipping, yet prove a bonanza for parcel shippers that compete with the U.S. Postal Service.

We’re talking about the Universal Postal Union. You can be forgiven if you haven’t heard of it.

The mail isn’t always sexy. But the debate over the UPU and how it sets international mail rates has roped in President Donald Trump, China, U.S. manufacturers, Amazon.com (ticker: AMZN), FedEx (FDX) and even Stamps.com (STMP).

The UPU, founded in 1874, has 192 member countries that make sure mail gets picked up, sorted, and delivered across borders. That might not sound like a recipe for drama.

But the president said in August 2018 that the U.S. will leave the UPU effective Oct. 1 if rates paid by foreign countries for delivering small packages aren’t raised. The move is consistent with other parts of the president’s trade policy, intended to win better terms for U.S. businesses.

The U.S. Postal Service loses tens of millions of dollars a year delivering packages from overseas because rates, set by the UPU, don’t fully cover costs.

“The Postal Service fully supports the objectives of the administration to secure a more balanced and fair remuneration system for small packets containing goods,” said a USPS spokesperson. “No matter the outcome with the UPU, the Postal Service is committed to remaining in the international mailing business.”

The post office supports the president’s action, but the National Association of Letter Carriers, or NALC, disagrees. Chief of staff Jim Sauber says negotiating postal rates bilaterally with 191 other countries would be nearly impossible. He believes the U.S. can stay in the union while negotiating changes.

The heart of America’s problem with the UPU is China. Still designated as a developing nation, China receives favorable rates for international shipping. The volume of goods shipped from China has grown as its economy has exploded, and that cost advantage has become a significant competitive issue for U.S. small business.

China’s mail service sends Canada Post “a warehouse five stories high of small packets” ordered from Alibaba Group Holding (BABA), said one Canadian postal worker. “They send three times that per month to the U.S.”

Shipping costs have to be low for it to make business sense to send small, low-value items to the U.S. from China. That is one reason the National Association of Manufacturers supports leaving the UPU. NAM CEO Jay Timmons welcomed Trump’s announcement last year.

Those benefiting from lower shipping costs feel differently. The International Mailers Advisory Group—an organization that includes e-commerce companies such as Amazon—wants the U.S. to stick with the union. Amazon didn’t respond to a request for comment.

Sauber acknowledges the China problem, but believes the solution is to negotiate with China on a bilateral basis. China might deserve to pay higher rates, but other countries have legitimate claim to subsidies, he said.

“We don’t charge U.S. rural customers more for mail,” he said “It’s a network.”

What’s at stake for companies is the $2.7 billion in international sales generated by the Postal Service. United Parcel Service (UPS) and FedEx would be happy to handle more international shipments, but commercial rates are higher than what the post office charges. They could win business if postal rates rise.

UPS said it was pleased with the administration’s effort. FedEx said it would wait until after a special UPU meeting, scheduled to run from Monday to Wednesday, before making a statement.

The UPU congress—only the third special meeting held in the union’s 145-year history—will vote on whether to let Washington declare its own fees. The U.S. wants to be allowed to name its own rates for inbound foreign mail, setting fees that are more in line with the Postal Service’s costs.

“There is one vote per country—all 192 of them,” said Shea Felix, director of GlobalPost for Stamps.com. “It will be very hard to get everyone on board with U.S. demands.”

He sees a real possibility the U.S. will leave the union on Oct. 1 if the vote goes against the Americans. “Every single e-commerce seller will have to adjust strategy and small shippers [are] at risk of higher rates and limited access to international markets,” Felix said.

Stamps.com is working with its 700,000 shipping customers to develop alternatives to the postal system and keep merchandise moving around the globe. He declined to discuss the cost, but said there are price advantages in some areas.

Other logistics providers are getting ready for postal Armageddon, too. The supply-chain company iDrivelogistics is warning its customers and arranging alternatives using FedEx and DHL.

“This has significant implications for postage providers, FedEx, UPS, DHL, international shippers, importers, and domestic small businesses who compete with Chinese manufacturers,” said iDrivelogistics strategist Matt White. “It’s a big deal.”

It’s also an obscure one. And what’s going to happen is anyone’s guess.

An exit could mean fewer imports from China, or even chaos in e-commerce for the holiday season. Alternatively, if the UPU accedes to the U.S.’s demands, the Postal Service could be financially stronger, and there would be fewer market-distorting subsidies in the international logistics business.
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I bet the increase would be literally pennies per package, but that will never be published.
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Postal service lost $4,000,000,000 last year. The last time they actually made money was in 2006. Time for them to go away.
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Postal service lost $4,000,000,000 last year. The last time they actually made money was in 2006. Time for them to go away.
Or stop giving money away to china. Even .10 a package I would bet would be a decent amount given the number of packages they ship.
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If we lose .10 a package raise the shipping to .20
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Or stop giving money away to china. Even .10 a package I would bet would be a decent amount given the number of packages they ship.
Someone decided that losing 10 cents a package wasn't too bad and they would just make it up in volume.
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Someone decided that losing 10 cents a package wasn't too bad and they would just make it up in volume.
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Postal service lost $4,000,000,000 last year. The last time they actually made money was in 2006

Time to allow them to set pricing to cover costs and let the markets work it out.
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As long as we do away with the laws making them the only legal letter carrier in the country I am good with it. Some date back to the 1790’s.
Somehow I think rates would skyrocket and people would beg for the old days again. Or everything goes digital and sending a letter would be basically going to UPS OR FedEx.


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Who knew such a thing existed. They are calling their 3rd special meeting in it's 145 year history.

clifs. China is declared a developing country. <Snip> [/url]
Developing what? An unquenchable thirst for American freebies?
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Developing what? An unquenchable thirst for American freebies?
they've been hiding behind that bullshit internationally for a long time.

how else do you think they step ou of every climate bullshit deal without penalty?
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Huh, I always wondered how they ship shit over here so cheap.

I ship a 12x12x8 5# box to AU and it's 84$.

Get the same thing shipped from China and it's like 6$.
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Huh, I always wondered how they ship shit over here so cheap.

I ship a 12x12x8 5# box to AU and it's 84$.

Get the same thing shipped from China and it's like 6$.
This.

They ship so cheap that most of the time if you get something broken or defective it cost 5x what you paid just to ship it back. They know what they're doing.
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Huh, I always wondered how they ship shit over here so cheap.

I ship a 12x12x8 5# box to AU and it's 84$.

Get the same thing shipped from China and it's like 6$.
I ship and recieve small packages to Australia...About 14 bucks for less than a pound to ship there..I believe the price has to do with the customs hassles of recieving country...Australia is very strict, China likely not so much?
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Many countries also subsidize shipping charges coming into their country.
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Huh, I always wondered how they ship shit over here so cheap.

I ship a 12x12x8 5# box to AU and it's 84$.

Get the same thing shipped from China and it's like 6$.
Yup, USPS is in the Universal Postal Union. If the country of origination gets the package to US soil then USPS will deliver it for free for "developing countries". Many governments, the Chinese in particular, subsidize the shipping so the Chinese companies pay only pennies to ship an item then USPS delivers it stateside for free. It is meant to help developing countries do business in the US but China has taken advantage of it by the government subsidizing the shipping and it is time to end it with China.
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I ship and recieve small packages to Australia.
I order tick control stuff from Australia, shipped via Air Mail for free. For some reason, the last pkg was shipped from Auckland, N.Z., also free shipping.

All pkgs received have a green custom sticker affixed that gives officials permission to open, all was intact do far-
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I order tick control stuff from Australia, shipped via Air Mail for free. For some reason, the last pkg was shipped from Auckland, N.Z., also free shipping.



All pkgs received have a green custom sticker affixed that gives officials permission to open, all was intact do far-


What type of tick control? They are a fucking problem at my place.
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Petshed dot com

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What type of tick control? They are a fucking problem at my place.
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sounds like prescription pills, is flea/tick collar. kinds of pricey, works great.
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I purchase a lot of board level electronics shipped directly from Shenzhen to California. They ship so incredibly cheap through the postal service it's not even fair... like $7 US for a medium sized box of capacitors that weigh somewhat heavy.
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sounds like prescription pills, is flea/tick collar. kinds of pricey, works great.


Wasn’t sure if for dogs or people/property. Ticks are bad around my place. Already gave me the Lyme. Trying to keep wife and kids clear. Next spring we are going to do like 20-30 free range chickens for tick control. Try and hatch a dozen or so every fall to help keep up with attrition from predators.

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Good. China has been taking advantage of our stupid policies and laws for decades.
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