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AZBCE 09-26-2019 07:26 PM

Forest Service Backfilling Mines
 
Does anyone know the law that allows the forest service to backfill mines and demolish structures?

Appreciate it! :)

pepe 09-26-2019 07:49 PM

Its probably more of a case of there's no law saying they can't.

jpmassey 09-26-2019 08:11 PM

They've been doing it in Colorado for awhile.

erictylers1 09-26-2019 08:16 PM

In CA happens all the time. Lots of Cabins on on Fed land and they keep driving everybody off.

Lots of open shafts here.

bigun 09-26-2019 08:16 PM

It's for the children, IE Adults who watch youtube videos of people exploring old mines and think they can to

Provience 09-26-2019 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bigun (Post 44619424)
It's for the children, IE Adults who watch youtube videos of people exploring old mines and think they can to

i use to do that as a child before youtube was a thing.

are kids not supposed to do that? :rasta:

Rubirunner85 09-26-2019 08:45 PM

I think I read somewhere that ohv funds were used to blast closed the portals for the public safety, while using the public lands that were stolen.

Az Scooter 09-26-2019 09:58 PM

It isnt the forest service. It is Freeport McMoran. When they bought Phelps Dodge they also bought all of their liabilities. I have a friend that works on the crew that that does the mine closures.

Kyle_T 09-26-2019 10:30 PM

Iím fairly certain itís private owners that hold the lease on the mine doing it. Either remediation or like above liabilities.

Why are you asking OP?


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muddeprived 09-27-2019 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Provience (Post 44619434)
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Originally Posted by bigun (Post 44619424)
It's for the children, IE Adults who watch youtube videos of people exploring old mines and think they can to

i use to do that as a child before youtube was a thing.

are kids not supposed to do that? <a href="https://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/images/smilies/rasta.gif" border="0" alt="" title="rasta" >:-)</a>

Kids are not supposed to youtube every goddamn thing they do 24/7.

mrboyle 09-27-2019 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by jpmassey (Post 44619414)
They've been doing it in Colorado for awhile.

The majority of the "sealed" mines are done by the claim owners as required by the current terms set. There are some here and there that are done by the state or by federal (either EPA or BLM) when the claim has been abandoned and they can't find anyone to fine.

SanDiegoCJ 09-27-2019 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by mrboyle (Post 44619628)
The majority of the "sealed" mines are done by the claim owners as required by the current terms set. There are some here and there that are done by the state or by federal (either EPA or BLM) when the claim has been abandoned and they can't find anyone to fine.

This. I've talked to a few "rangers" and this is what I've been told. I've seen iron barred doors with large locks on some of the mine entrances and some that have the entrance blasted shut.

Roc Doc 09-27-2019 06:18 PM

This happened.

https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net...1d&oe=5E39FA5F

Landslide 09-27-2019 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Roc Doc (Post 44620596)

Well, thatís one way to close a mine entrance I guess.

SLOWPOKE693 09-27-2019 06:40 PM

Obviously the problem there was speed. As in not enough of it to clear the hole! :laughing:

Landslide 09-27-2019 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SLOWPOKE693 (Post 44620640)
Obviously the problem there was speed. As in not enough of it to clear the hole! :laughing:

I dunno, maybe heís trying to do the more difficult trails out there like this one that burrows down underground.

Rubirunner85 09-27-2019 07:27 PM

Thatís not the first axle Iíve seen on a Jeep that was bent from leverage on the outside edges of the tire.

Hope he didnít spill his beer

DavidVanVorous 09-28-2019 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by AZBCE (Post 44619382)
Does anyone know the law that allows the forest service to backfill mines and demolish structures?

Appreciate it! :)

Has to do with the required annual $250 improvement reg. among others dealing with nuisance abandoned claims and its not just USFS that does it, BLM does it as well.

I was involved with a mining history group in CO that bought the rights to demolish a 5 stamp mill near Granite. POed the hermit that owned the claim but he hadn't done anything with it for over 10 yrs so BLM sold it for reclaim.

Know of a few other mines in Jeffco and Boulder County back filled for public nuisance reasons. Folks used them for garbage dumps which attracted bears and other critters. County asked for permission and they were permanently closed/removed from the claims roles...

wheelerfreak 09-28-2019 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Landslide (Post 44620634)
Well, thatís one way to close a mine entrance I guess.

He took his Jeep being called a trail tampon seriously

Propane 09-28-2019 07:47 AM

Jeremy Felts has a brother? AKA AMERICAN JEEPER who hasn't made it right with the girl he crushed and almost paralyzed :grinpimp:

Filthy McChevy 09-28-2019 07:51 AM

Reminded me of this:https://www.foxnews.com/story/one-gi...ona-mine-shaft

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One Girl Dead, One Injured After Falling In Arizona Mine Shaft

CHLORIDE, Ariz. Ė A 13-year-old girl who fell into a brush-covered mine shaft while riding an all-terrain vehicle was found dead at the bottom Sunday, and her 10-year-old sister was rescued with serious injuries, authorities said.

The girls, 13-year-old Rikki Howard and 10-year-old Casie Hicks, were out for a holiday weekend ride around 7 p.m. Saturday when their father, who was riding ahead of them on a dirt bike, noticed the girls were missing.





"They were driving along and they went into the mine. It was a total accident," Mohave County Sheriff's Department spokeswoman Sandy Edwards said.

The mine, believed to be inactive, is located in Chloride, about 17 miles north of Kingman. It was next to a dirt road, concealed by brush and had no signs or barriers.

Sheriff's personnel searched throughout the night, but they weren't able to follow the ATV's tracks into the 125-foot mine shaft until 6:20 a.m. Sunday. The team walked by the site overnight because the hole was covered, she said.



When the entrance was discovered, the father called out and one of the girls answered, officials said. Crews later rappelled into the mine and found the girls and the vehicle at the bottom.

The 10-year-old girl was transported to University Medical Center in Las Vegas, Edwards said. She was in critical condition Sunday afternoon, a hospital spokesman said. The family declined to comment through the hospital.

Seth Johnson, a neighbor of the girls and their family's landlord, said the two were half-sisters. Their family was at the Las Vegas hospital, he said.

"It's an awful shock," Johnson said. "Their parents are very distraught."

Cathy Kelso, a bus driver, said she has been driving the two girls to school for a year and a half. "They're little sweetheart girls," she said. "I just keep hoping it's not true, but it's horrible."

Laurie Swartzbaugh, deputy director of the Arizona State Mine Inspector's office, said that the mine had not been used for some time, and that the office was investigating. She said abandoned mines are common in the state, and that since Jan. 1, the office has secured 108 of them.

"There's a significant amount of abandoned mines out there that are hazardous to the public's health," she said. "Most of those mines are from old prospectors who would go in and they would mine and they'd just pick up leave."

It was not immediately clear who owned the mine. Swartzbaugh said many abandoned mines date back to the early 1900s and that sometimes it's not possible to track down who owns them.




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