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Part of it is you are looking. I've had people do this in the past - go on some interviews, come back and say they want X pay to match. Even if you give it to them 6 months later they are still gone. It is hardly ever only about pay for employees who go far enough to interview several places. That's what they claim and it placates them for a few months but then that "Grass is always greener" mentality comes in and they find something the other company appears to have that can't just change on a whim like pay. From a managers perspective your gone anyway, why should they fight to get you more and still have to hire someone in a few months.

When was your last promotion? If you aren't getting promotions every 2-3 years max you aren't hot shit in your company or you are letting others take your credit.

I also wouldnt embark on a master degree without tuition assistance and a prenegotiated promotion on completion. If I did it would be for the sole reason of getting a job elsewhere.
This isn't really about pay and more about upward mobility. Pay is great and I do expect more but I am not really hurting where I am in terms of pay. The main reason I got my masters is to enable me to get at least what I make now somewhere else. So they know I have options that I didn't have before.

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You’ve said “you made it clear that they were your first choice”.

Is the higher level position open?

Have you applied for it? Not just talked to your boss, but actually submitted an updated resume for the position you desire? If not, why not? You’ve submitted your updated resume to the other companies.
Very good question. I was wondering when someone would ask it. The position is not currently open. I am told first of the year before they will hire for it. It would be with a brand new division that is just now getting put together. The career opportunities and challenges with a new project excite me.

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A degree does absolutely not qualify a person as best as brightest. Let’s just dispel that garbage assumption.

Go now and remind your employer of your ask. They could have forgotten or slow playing. To think they are monitoring your personal progress out of work.... who knows. Maybe they aren’t picking up your hints.
I agree. Me being a stand out employee in my department has nothing to do with my education and everything to do with me doing my job to the best of my ability and the majority of my coworkers doing the job to the bare minimum level they can do and not get fired or demoted.

To your next point I do need to stay on top of them. I am monitoring the situation and when I think they are to the point of hiring for the position I want I will be on it like white on rice. Currently I am just checking in once a month or so to say, "Hey! Still here. Still interested in what we talked about the other 10 times I was here and you said I was the candidate to beat."

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Since you work for a fortune 500 company, your room to rise up thru the ranks may be different, but in my non fortune 500 company when I hire someone, lets say for a job in my warehouse, then I have a pay range that I am willing to pay for that position. Now if my warehouse employee goes to night school and gets a master degree in electrical engineering, I don't just pay him $150,000.00 a year to still do the warehouse job. Now on the other hand if I needed a in-house EE, then I would be smart to change his position and give him a raise for the position he was elevated to. In your case you will prob need to change jobs to get the pay your new master degree level of education should get, since your current company can in theory just replace your current position with a college grad (assuming that was your education level when you were hired), for the same or possibly less money than you make.
All good points and probably the way it works across the board in my experience, Fortune 500 or otherwise. For reference I am looking to stay in my silo and just go further up. I think that is where I can add the most value for my company because that is the area where I have most of my experience. I would however be happy with anything at that level but it wouldn't make a lot of sense for me to move up and change departments at the same time when a project is just getting off the ground.

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I run a team of 8 people all with fairly high seniority, running from 2 years to 55 at the company/in the role. There is one employee I will throw money at if they threatened to leave, everyone else I would be setting up some dinner plans with them and wishing them luck. That person has some of the lowest seniority, but is a beast. I guarantee you the other 7 think the place will collapse without them. Just because you have an MBA doesn't mean anything and doesn't automatically entitle you to anything. My guess is your current employer did a ROI on you and figured if you leave whatever we will be fine.

How old are you by chance? A lot of the posts sound like something I would have posted in my 20s before being massively humbled at work a few times.
I am in my late 30s. I am glad you know there is one stand out on your team. Part of the problem with my company is the people in charge of promotions don't really have a feel for the teams getting the work done.

I have a mentor within the company but he works at another division. He would likely give me the job I want himself and has said as much but he only has power over his own division and frankly I don't want to work there. Neither does he really, but he had to take the job to keep moving up in the company. Every time we talk he says something like "I can't believe we as a company aren't making a move to keep you. That is just sad." I can be open with him and frankly he was the only boss I had that really was on top of how things were working so he knows my potential.

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Not only that, but is it relevant to your current position? Or are you expecting to be thrown into high level management just because you got an MBA?
It is very relevant to my current work. It would be same silo but just higher up and also at a new division. Every single person that I trust to give me advice within my company says I need to leave my division if I want to stay with the company. Some have used the word "toxic" to describe my division saying I have the ability to go as high as I want in the company but I can't do it without leaving the area. I would have left years ago but I didn't have the ability then to make the same or better money elsewhere and my wife didn't want to leave the area. Both things have now changed.

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Not a fortune 500 company but my small town is about to become a ghost town because they run all the good help and best people off and those that do nothing get to stick around. Now they are broke, the roads are shit the water is shit, the electric is shit and people and businesses are leaving.
This is exactly the point of this thread. As usual it has been refocused on my specific case but it is a problem all over. Good people are hard to find. Companies should do their very best to keep those people. Also you should incentivize them to be in the role where they can make the most positive impact. My company will pay the same for an easy job that a trained K9 could do as a job that is hard and super important with tons of responsibility and technical knowledge needed. It will also be easier to climb the ladder from the easy side. They then wonder why they keep losing people from the hard job and the talent level continues to erode. It would be comical if it wasn't my everyday reality.

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When i left my previous employer they tried to keep me with a raise, but it wasnt enough. I told them flat out that they didnt need to match, but come close as i liked the job and company. My manager told me that new/recruitment money is easier to get than existing. After being gone for almost 2 years my boss reached out and told me to give them a number for me to come back.

The take away i got is that companies dont value who they have working because they know most people wont take the jump to a new job and leave what they know. OP, you may be in the same position, they dont think you will really leave and getting money for a raise/promotion is harder than throwing more money at a new person to get them in the door.
All great points and I think you are right on the money. If I do leave I won't burn any bridges. I would always keep the option of coming back open.

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It costs more to undervalue talent than over value it at the professional level.


Prior to this I worked at a consulting firm with 4 offices. I handled a marketing form my local office and an office an hour and a half away, hiring and retention for my department across all 4 offices, project management for 3 project engineers, plus kept a backlog of projects that clients were willing to wait on me specifically to engineer. Just my backlog of work kept the payroll for the entire company paid for 3 years running. My department was the most profitable in the company for the previous 5 years before my departure.

I made it clear after leading the company in profitability for 3 years, I wanted to be promoted to partner. The president of my local office said keep it up next year and it's a done deal. The CEO had another guy he wanted to run the section I was running and wouldn't allow me to promote. He started making moves to restructure the department so the other engineer could be my boss and he began calling me and asking questions about technical stuff within my specialty and I finally started giving him references to read instead of spoon feeding. Next thing you know, my bonuses got cut back. I turned in my resignation 4 years ago, They moved that guy into my position, I got a raise, work less hours, drive less, and my phone doesn't ring on my vacation. That whole department is in shambles now and they can't even legitimately propose on more complex projects and be taken seriously. I don't know what the P & L for that department looks like now to be fair, but I see where it is headed.

The point is, you never know why or what is driving management's decisions, you just have to react with what is best for you and your family. Don't be someone's bitch. It will make you resent them and you spend too much time at work to be resentful.
I can't even tell you how many times I have seen someone promote "their guy" instead of the person deserving of it that would do the best job. Nepotism is an enormous problem in the workplace and I have missed more than one promotion due to it.

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what's the problem that is pervasive? That you aren't being offered a promotion for a graduate degree? that's not a problem... that's an entitlement.
The pervasive problem is that companies consistently undervalue their best employees pushing them to jump ship. This has nothing to do with degrees.

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The place I work at now is kind of the same way. It's a great place to work, but some of their hiring decisions confuse me.

We have a hand full of temps in the office that we get from a local temp company. Some of the people they have sent us were excellent employees and worked here in the temp slot for a couple years in some cases.

When the company hires for permanent positions, the temps rarely even make the interview list. These are people who are working alongside the rest of us and doing a good job, but they haven't hired one of them on permanently since I've been here. They eventually leave for other jobs and we get to train their replacement. It just makes no sense to me.
That is really sad. The shit part is the company is probably paying a 50% premium on those temps meaning they could probably hire those temps on permanently for 5/6 of what they are paying them through the temp agency. The company pays less and the people that used to be temps are making 25% more than they were. The worst part is the lost productivity when you guys have to train someone brand new when they could have hired one of the good temps. This is definitely a subset of the problem I am talking about. Companies don't seem to make the best decisions when it comes to hiring and promoting.

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A couple thoughts (not necessarily organized by importance). I've dealt with things like this from both sides at a couple different companies.

Your location may be hurting you. Your company may have past experience that there isn't much competition locally and people are unlikely to move. That history is used by HR to dictate pay scales, movement etc.

While you think you are the best and brightest and perfect for the job, it's often a different view from the top. Sometimes unwarranted, sometimes because of some things that you just don't even think of being viewed negatively. Finding out if that is the case and changing that opinion can help you here if you want to put the effort in.

I would quit asking for the promotion. Have a meeting with your boss and whoever else matters. Ask them "What do I need to do to get this promotion? Are there things I haven't proven? Are there tasks I need to show proficiency in? What are they and when can I start on them?" Make them tell you what the reason is that it hasn't happened. It's not wrong to let them know you are getting offers for that position and better elsewhere. This is their opportunity to keep you. Maybe you aren't as important to them as you think regardless of your skill. Some companies don't view certain positions and skills as important regardless of reality. If that's the case, it's time to go anyway.

Long time employees are often hampered by pay scales and such. They may be looking at it as the scale for the nest position is problematic. Maybe you already make enough that it won't be much pay bump and they think you will leave anyway when they can't give you a pay raise in a year or 2.

Did your company pay for any or all of your MBA? If so companies often view they have paid you something already and want to see you work for a bit before just handing out a promotion and pay raise as well.

I had a professor of a grad level class when I was in college that was actually very successful (owned several large successful business that he built from the ground up). He taught 1 class a semester as a way to give back and teach students how things really work as opposed to most classes. He had 4 grade degrees (Masters, 2 doctorates, and a PHD iirc). Several things he taught on have stuck with me for years. One was that every time someone gets a grad degree they automatically want a pay raise and promotion and he laughs at them. He said he tells people to go prove you learned something for a year and come back (he called this getting hair on your degree). He said getting the piece of paper is nice, but prove you learned something and put it to work. This ties in with the above. This may be harder to discern since you have been working at the same place. Maybe you need to highlight to your boss what things you put into practice that you learned and show you are more valuable and have already been putting things into action that you learned.

Another thing I was told early on in my career by several successful people around me was that you typically have to move to be recognized/valued (pay and title/promotion) This proved true for me as well. Not as much title, but pay. I did jump title some, but it was some of my largest pay increases of my career. It's just the way it is. People don't work an entire career for companies anymore. You have to move to get paid. The problem can come in again with how much competition for your skill set is local. I know of a few places where there are oil and gas people paid half of what similar people are in other cities. It's because the company they work for is the only one for over 100 miles in oil and gas or needing the specific skill set. Those people refuse to move and stay there falling behind in pay. It's just how it works.

You can take other offers you get and ask your boss to match or beat them, but, typically, that doesn't work out well. You will resent you had to force them and they will feel like you forced them and are difficult. If you go this route, plan on leaving the company in the next 2 years.

As for working for a public company. I have always worked for public companies. The mantra most people complain about depends on the corporate culture. I have worked places that beat the shareholder value drum, six sigma bs, etc all the time and others where you never heard it. It's the culture. If you want to motivate employees to drive shareholder value give them stock, options, or something tied to stock value. I've seen low level AP and AR "accountants" talk about stock price and finding "X" error helps because they had this as part of their compensation. No on had to bring it up in any meetings or have it on the wall. When you are considering moving to another company, the culture is huge. Try to feel this out when interviewing.

On Edit - Many big companies have lost people they thought were critical in the past. They had no choice, but to hire a replacement and it worked out fine. It was tough for those immediately surrounding a position. but worked out fine in the eyes of HR and upper management. This just drives the idea that everyone is replaceable.
Some great points in there. I will try to hit on them all.

-Yes, absolutely my location is hurting me for a number of reasons.

-I don't think people "viewing from the top" are doing the best job in tracking performance. That is definitely a known issue. The only reason I have been able to get the ear of the people above me is because I have done a decent job of promoting myself.

-I have had that meeting already. It went very well. They continue to drag their feet. As I mentioned previously in this post, the job I want is actually not available right now but will be in January I am told. Nothing is stopping them from trying to lock me up for it which I would probably agree to.

-Pay is not the issue for them I can promise you that. For them or me.

-My company paid for literally 5% of my degree. Zero strings attached as you can imagine for such a small sum.

-Great point about getting some hair on the degree. Unfortunately there are very limited opportunities to do that in my current role. This is one of the many things that has me pointed toward the door so I can try to put some hair on the damn thing. I actually have a current professor who is very high up in a top 25 company who literally takes vacation from work to come teach 1 elective our class once a year to give back. He is an alum and super insightful in the subject he teaches.

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This is spot on for where I work. They pigeon hole you into the spot you filled when you started and can't grasp that people learn and grow.

Sad and short sighted of them. Sometimes it's best to move out to move up.
I think this is a big part of it. It is very short sighted and definitely what I am getting at. When you have a good worker that knows your business it seems like most of the time the company would come out ahead to make a move to keep them versus having to train a new guy. I mean we have to train people for a minimum of 6 months just to grasp the very basics. That is a huge productivity sap when there is turn over.
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Maybe the company doesn’t value what you went to school for. Great example, starting salary of mechanical engineer with a masters is less than one with a bachelors. It provides no value in most jobs.



No offense, but from what I just read, I would move on as your employer. Nothing ruins a successful business environment than a I am the greatest attitude. Trust me, if you leave tomorrow, they will be fine. If you stay, they will also be fine. Never understood why people thought they were so special. Everyone is replaceable.
This. I just recently relocated to the midwest and transferred within my company. Made a lateral move and took a paycut to do so because cost of living is much cheaper out here. My boss and my bosses boss have both told me how much they love what I'm doing and the changes I'm implementing, but the reality is, I'm just doing what is expected of me for the team. If you arent a team player, and you think you're better than everyone else, in my opinion, you're nothing but a poison in the organization. Be a team player. Newsflash, just because YOU think you're worth high $$$ doesnt mean you actually are. You are worth what a company is willing to pay you. If your current company isnt willing to pay you what another company is willing to pay you, leave. It's pretty simple.

You give a ton of time and energy to a company, in which, you're just a number. If you died tomorrow, they would have your replacement post haste. Don't forget that.

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I was with my last company for 9 years. After 6 I started mentioning the desire for a promotion during annual reviews. At 8 I said I felt I had earned a promotion based on what I brought to the team. At 9, I said I needed a promotion or I was out the door. I was told it would be 2 more years before they'd consider it. Roughly a month after that review, I was gone and on my own. Got picked up by a new company and doubled my pay as a contractor that year. They then asked me multiple times over the next couple years to come on full time telling me to name my price. I finally agreed and I'm not sure why I didn't do all of that sooner...
Exactly what I am talking about. Both you and the company would have been better off if they hadn't been so short sighted.
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The pervasive problem is that companies consistently undervalue their best employees pushing them to jump ship. This has nothing to do with degrees.
except that you started this thread with the complaint that you just got your masters and aren't being recognized for it... You've equated getting a grad degree with being the best and brightest... and you're making a massive assumption that your leadership is likely very keenly aware of (that's one reason they are them, and you are you.)

If you can do better, go do better. If you are smarter than your leadership, then turn your side hustle into a company and prove everyone wrong.
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Perhaps a large part of the issue is caused by every MBA program on earth convincing their soon-to-be grads that they will walk on water, and some company might be lucky enough for them to bestow their new 'knowledge' upon them thus instantly transforming the entire landscape of the corporate world upon their graduation???

Seriously, Congrats on making it through the program while holding down a job, but is there a rather significant sub-section of the courses on advanced level Ego inflation and self-agrandizment??

Or is it just coincidental that a large portion of mid-life MBA grads seem to believe their dick drags on the ground upon completion of a couple years of additional training in a masters program...


Another possible contributing factor: The guys in the new company will never know the guy wih the MBA/ MSA suffix on his email sig wasn't always this much of a cocky/smug prick. The coworkers/ bosses at the old job will remember the contrast between the before & after and have to deal with that irritation, and thus will pay less for the privilege of their benevolent presence in the workplace. .


eta: sure, from a business perspective it makes sense for the universities to try and sell the value of their fees they charge for these programs, but the rate of people going all in on the kool-aid is impressive.
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Maybe you’re not as valuable as you think.
We don't have that problem. Our Boss and Office Manager make sure they don't hire anyone smarter than them.
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I always assume it's because they can get most anyone to do a job and get 70-80% of what they need. The extra 20-30% is nice but not needed and often they cost to get that extra isn't worth it.

Just like design stuff. 80% seems to be the good enough point.
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If they actually live and believe that they are not going hire anyone smarter than them....you need to find another job anyhow....case closed
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If they actually live and believe that they are not going hire anyone smarter than them....you need to find another job anyhow....case closed


This is since I was hired in 2003. Could be my fault - I'm a bit of a challenge, but the most productive. Probably for the same reason. They don't like thinkers.
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There is a big mental step that is taken when you begin to look elsewhere. By the time an employee has taken the time to search and look elsewhere they have accepted that they are not valued in their current company and have begun looking for greener pastures. This is not about salary and compensation but emotional satisfaction. When a competitive counteroffer is provided and accepted the employee is rarely retained for the long term.

You have already mentally left your current company so decide where you want to move.
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I always assume it's because they can get most anyone to do a job and get 70-80% of what they need. The extra 20-30% is nice but not needed and often they cost to get that extra isn't worth it.

Just like design stuff. 80% seems to be the good enough point.
Just remember when they want 99.999% uptime 80% is good enough.
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Just a thought... if you sound this cocky at work, they might not think you’re as awesome, the best,
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Most companies are top heavy. The company I work for, (mfg of construction components), is super lean. There is the owner, who owns the buildings, the machinery, the land under the buildings, the inventory, the packaging...IOW, he doesn't owe anyone shit, no banks, no shareholders, partners, nothing.

Then there is my boss, then me and I don't supervise anyone. So that's the structure, absolute minimalist, do your job and you'll get good compensation, or if you don't you'll get replaced, as it should be. Most modern corps are bleeding off the profits to so many people that don't really add anything, that nobody can really make any good money. They set up unrealistic and sometimes indecipherable bonus plans, and with equity groups they don't GAF about anything except documentable EBITA, so they can flip the company.
All bs aside, does your company have a need to transport those components?
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except that you started this thread with the complaint that you just got your masters and aren't being recognized for it... You've equated getting a grad degree with being the best and brightest... and you're making a massive assumption that your leadership is likely very keenly aware of (that's one reason they are them, and you are you.)

If you can do better, go do better. If you are smarter than your leadership, then turn your side hustle into a company and prove everyone wrong.
No I didn't. In fact just the opposite. I started this thread by saying I am actually getting a lot of recognition for it. Just not from the company that you would think would be the easiest for me to get recognition from. I never once equated getting a degree to being the best and brightest. You made that leap all on your own.

My side hustle is a company fully licensed and everything. I pay taxes as a company. The problem is that it is very difficult to scale in a booming market and I want to move out of the area so it will be unloaded.

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Perhaps a large part of the issue is caused by every MBA program on earth convincing their soon-to-be grads that they will walk on water, and some company might be lucky enough for them to bestow their new 'knowledge' upon them thus instantly transforming the entire landscape of the corporate world upon their graduation???

Seriously, Congrats on making it through the program while holding down a job, but is there a rather significant sub-section of the courses on advanced level Ego inflation and self-agrandizment??

Or is it just coincidental that a large portion of mid-life MBA grads seem to believe their dick drags on the ground upon completion of a couple years of additional training in a masters program...


Another possible contributing factor: The guys in the new company will never know the guy wih the MBA/ MSA suffix on his email sig wasn't always this much of a cocky/smug prick. The coworkers/ bosses at the old job will remember the contrast between the before & after and have to deal with that irritation, and thus will pay less for the privilege of their benevolent presence in the workplace. .


eta: sure, from a business perspective it makes sense for the universities to try and sell the value of their fees they charge for these programs, but the rate of people going all in on the kool-aid is impressive.
Ironic for you to be calling me a prick...

Once again for all those clearly not reading and simply piling on, the degree is only important to this story in that it has given me access to a large recruiting network and has opened my eyes to something that I feel is an issue in corporate America. I personally am not even important to the issue that I created this thread to talk about. I was a hard worker before school and I will be a hard worker after school is done. Take me out of this and the issues still stands. Multiple people have recounted their stories with the exact same thing. Kudos on your keyboard kommando attitude though!
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Just a thought... if you sound this cocky at work, they might not think you’re as awesome, the best,
Again, I am not cocky at work. Hell, I haven't even been cocky here by PBB standards. That being said, while I have NEVER said that I am the best at work, both my big boss and his boss have said it numerous times directly to me. Are they blowing smoke up my ass? Who the hell knows. It doesn't matter anyways because back to the very point of this thread, actions speak louder than words.
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All good points. I promise you I am the very best of the best but I understand your scepticism. You don't know me. Also, to be absolutely fair to my company, they probably will give me the job and title I want because I am the best. The problem is they should be moving fast to lock me in and they just aren't. By the time they get off their butt, I will likely have had to accept an offer from another company and they will have lost me. I would need something in writing to be able to turn down an offer that will be in writing.
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No I didn't. In fact just the opposite. I never once equated getting a degree to being the best and brightest. You made that leap all on your own.
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The problem? Where the hell is my current employer in all this? I made it clear to them up front that they would be my number one option after graduation if they gave me the promotion I would like. I wasn't kidding with them either. I know the business inside and out, I know the corporate culture, and I have been a model employee for 16 years. Far from them making an effort to keep me on, it almost seems as though they are making an effort to push me out the door. This is a Fortune 500 company. They have all the resources in the world to make me happy. I am easily the most qualified person in the company for the role I want and could really make a positive impact, yet I don't hear a thing.

I see this same thing over and over. My school advertises that something like 98.5% of graduates will get promoted or take a new job between the start of the program and 3 months after graduation. I think this is likely true but the number of people staying with their current company seems to be an extremely small number. In fact, for the people staying with their companies it seems that most are doing so because that company footed all or a good portion of the bill for grad school and they would have to pay it back if they leave. Even in those cases the people still plan to leave when that time is up because instead of getting a promotion to try to keep these driven individuals that tried to better themselves, the company will use this strangle hold they have to not promote these people and try to wring every last bit of productivity out of them while they are being held captive. That doesn't seem like the best way to go about this. Why pay for school if you don't plan to utilize the employee in the future? Most companies seem to structure it so you almost always come out better if you jump ship.

When I started this little education adventure I figured the chances were very good that I would stay with my company. Now as it moves closer to the time where I will be getting offers, it seems like the chances are extremely slim. It seems sad that I have to start over somewhere else to get what I am worth.

Anyways, that is my little rant. I am sure there are exceptions out there but from where I stand it looks like they are extremely rare. It just seems like corporate America could do better.
Yeah... "just the opposite.."
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This needs to be a spin off. My CPA says it can't be done. The more I make on my side gig, the more I'm paying in taxes. There is no "loss". In the meantime, I'm not reporting shit.
Again, you don't "make" money. You have to write everything off related to your side business.

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One more thing to consider: If you’re “irreplaceable” you’re unpromotable.

Make sure you are training those around you to succeed as well. Sure, you run the risk of one of your peers (or subordinates) getting the promotion, but you also show leadership, the willingness to be a team player, and should you get the promotion, you have a good replacement already.
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Yeah... "just the opposite.."
Nice doctoring of the original quote.
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One more thing to consider: If you’re “irreplaceable” you’re unpromotable.

Make sure you are training those around you to succeed as well. Sure, you run the risk of one of your peers (or subordinates) getting the promotion, but you also show leadership, the willingness to be a team player, and should you get the promotion, you have a good replacement already.
I am not irreplaceable by any means. I end up training a lot of the new guys and I make sure they are very well trained. Everyone I work with (well maybe not *everyone*) has the ability to hang with me I think. They just choose not to. It is more of a work ethic thing and not me being God's gift to my job. I believe if you are going to do a job do it right and I stick to that. Not everyone was raised that way.
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Ironic for you to be calling me a prick...

Once again for all those clearly not reading and simply piling on, the degree is only important to this story in that it has given me access to a large recruiting network and has opened my eyes to something that I feel is an issue in corporate America. I personally am not even important to the issue that I created this thread to talk about. I was a hard worker before school and I will be a hard worker after school is done. Take me out of this and the issues still stands. Multiple people have recounted their stories with the exact same thing. Kudos on your keyboard kommando attitude though!
Lighten up sally, I never called you anything; just shared a general observation about a group of people, whom you have the potential to become.


... Although a little self eval/ inventory may be in order Since in your own description, your current employer is 'Far from making an effort' to capitalize on the offer you have 'made clearly to be your first choice' of parties to have the opportunity to give you a promotion and pay bump. ( and 'you weren't kidding either!' ) , But yet it seems like they have chosen not to use much of the 'all the resources in the world' to have the opportunity to 'make you happy' by giving you the job that you're 'easily the most qualified person in the company for' so that you can 'have a positive impact' and 'Showcase your new & improved value'.


I'm not sure how I got the impression that an ego-check may be in order.
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Perhaps a large part of the issue is caused by every MBA program on earth convincing their soon-to-be grads that they will walk on water, and some company might be lucky enough for them to bestow their new 'knowledge' upon them thus instantly transforming the entire landscape of the corporate world upon their graduation???

Seriously, Congrats on making it through the program while holding down a job, but is there a rather significant sub-section of the courses on advanced level Ego inflation and self-agrandizment??

Or is it just coincidental that a large portion of mid-life MBA grads seem to believe their dick drags on the ground upon completion of a couple years of additional training in a masters program...


Another possible contributing factor: The guys in the new company will never know the guy wih the MBA/ MSA suffix on his email sig wasn't always this much of a cocky/smug prick. The coworkers/ bosses at the old job will remember the contrast between the before & after and have to deal with that irritation, and thus will pay less for the privilege of their benevolent presence in the workplace. .


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I don't know the OP, but holy fuck this is funny and spot on for 95% of the MBAs I have ever met!
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