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Old 10-08-2019, 05:08 PM   #1 (permalink)
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victim blaming

The Redditors of the world seem to believe that no victim ever shares responsibility for what happens to them.

I just got yelled at on a FB crime cop-knob-slob group. A girl left her car warming up, unlocked, while inside getting her kids dressed. It was stolen. I said "That's a learning experience." The woodwork exploded with soy boys upset that I would blame her.

I think responsibility for a crime is a spectrum.
If you're asleep in bed when a burglar breaks in, it's on him.
If you leave your car unlocked w/keys, shared.
If you drop your wallet and walk away- what did you expect?

My wife and I once walked up to a girl being raped in a public park. (Grabbed the guy, cops came, testified, etc). She had a .3 BAC, enough to be fatal to many people and that she was completely unconscious. The guy went to jail, as he should, but I didn't have many tears for the victim either.

Yeah, the moral burden is on the perpetrator, but if you don't take practical measures to avoid known threats you share some of the responsibility. IMHO.
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:12 PM   #2 (permalink)
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How did you know she was raped if she was not screaming?
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:14 PM   #3 (permalink)
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That is the problem today , none of these asswipes ever want to accept personal responsibility for their actions.

Fucking drives me nuts .
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:16 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Crimes of opportunity are still crimes.
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:20 PM   #5 (permalink)
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How did you know she was raped if she was not screaming?
Does this smell like chloroform?
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:22 PM   #6 (permalink)
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The criminal remains 100% responsible for committing the crime. The dumb bitch is 100% responsible for creating the opportunity.
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:23 PM   #7 (permalink)
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...and "Topic locked by Admin" "Anyone bashing the OP will be banned". Ghey.

Bashing.

Remember the guy w the gun on his bike?
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:41 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Let’s put it this way, I really don’t want to live where I have to worry about my truck being stolen because the keys were still in it. I don’t completely agree that the victim has a lot of blame. To me creating an opportunity is letting an I can’t play with a loaded gun. That is stupid. Warming up your car, well that should be something done without question (I don’t warm up my car unless I just need the defrost that bad). I guess the viewpoint can change dependent upon the surroundings you grew up with. Mine have changed since I moved to Louisville. A good example, saw a girl getting beat out in the middle of the street (300 pounds or so guy so over 100 lbs on me) and I asked if she was ok. Guy said ask her again and of course I did. Well he pulls a gun on me. Well guess what, was I in the wrong, I wouldn’t think so, but now I just let them get beat and go on depending on the neighborhood. Another time same city, I backed into a parking spot. Seems normal enough for me. Well there happened to be a crappy neighborhood on the other side of the fence and a little shrubbery they could somewhat hide in as they stole my spare off the back of my jeep. Was I wrong for not having locking lug nuts, maybe? Just never thought about someone stealing that crap. Now I never back into places with good covering and I have locking lugs (and I hate them but that is another story).
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Old 10-08-2019, 06:14 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Nowadays we don't even want to blame the perpetrator, why would anyone get the blame.

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Old 10-08-2019, 06:31 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Where I live it is actually illegal to leave a running car unattended. Although I've never heard anybody being ticked for it.
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Two totally different situations. Is she stupid for being .3 BAC and stumbling through a park? Yep. Rapist is still 100% at fault.
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Two totally different situations. Is she stupid for being .3 BAC and stumbling through a park? Yep. Rapist is still 100% at fault.
But it's OK for someone to take a car that's not theirs, without permission? Would it be OK for me to let myself into your house while you were in the back yard? It would be OK for me to guess your bank account password and transfer your money to me?
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Old 10-08-2019, 06:54 PM   #13 (permalink)
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In Denver they call them puffers and publicize that it is illegal to leave your car running unattended and enforce it with tickets the beginning of every winter.

Apparently that dumb bitch needs a remote start car.
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Old 10-08-2019, 06:56 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Or a damned coat. She was whining about being too poor for a remote start. I guess she was also too poor for a second key.
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I agree with OP for the most part, but I cannot get on the bus here...
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My wife and I once walked up to a girl being raped in a public park. (Grabbed the guy, cops came, testified, etc). She had a .3 BAC, enough to be fatal to many people and that she was completely unconscious. The guy went to jail, as he should, but I didn't have many tears for the victim either.
Rape does not work this way. Leaving the keys in the car unattended and leaving you vagina unattended are completely different scenarios. It's one thing to steal an item from someone, and quite another to assault them physically.

Here's a good example of what OP ias talking about. Recently there was some footage posted online of a car passing another car in a legal passing zone. The car being passed turned on the left turn signal, slowed down, and took a left into a driveway. The driver of the passed car did not realize they were being passed, and nearly turned into the passing car as it went by. You could see the passed car abort the turn, and then hit it again after the passing car was out of the way.

My take on this is, watch your damn mirrors. If you make a left turn without being aware of all cars in the area, you're simply asking to get creamed. It may well be, technically, the passing driver's fault, but what does that really matter when you're in the hospital or the morgue?

Another example is not carrying un[der]insured motorist insurance, and then whining about how the idiot that bent your car doesn't carry liability. You think a law is going to guarantee anything? Pulleaze! Cover your ass.
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:15 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Steal something, you're enslaving the victim for the replacement time/value.

I don't think the two are different in kind, only in magnitude. I'm not talking about strongarm rape at home. That girl lying about in a public park after drinking herself unconscious was exercising zero caution. She did not deserve it, but she could expect it. Moral vs practical.
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Steal something, you're enslaving the victim for the replacement time/value.

I don't think the two are different in kind, only in magnitude. I'm not talking about strongarm rape at home. That girl lying about in a public park after drinking herself unconscious was exercising zero caution. She did not deserve it, but she could expect it. Moral vs practical.
So, if I'm sitting there minding my own business, it's partly my fault if some guy shoots and kills me because I wasn't smart enough to be wearing body armor?
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:30 PM   #18 (permalink)
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The Redditors of the world seem to believe that no victim ever shares responsibility for what happens to them.

I just got yelled at on a FB crime cop-knob-slob group. A girl left her car warming up, unlocked, while inside getting her kids dressed. It was stolen. I said "That's a learning experience." The woodwork exploded with soy boys upset that I would blame her.

I think responsibility for a crime is a spectrum.
If you're asleep in bed when a burglar breaks in, it's on him.
If you leave your car unlocked w/keys, shared.
If you drop your wallet and walk away- what did you expect?

My wife and I once walked up to a girl being raped in a public park. (Grabbed the guy, cops came, testified, etc). She had a .3 BAC, enough to be fatal to many people and that she was completely unconscious. The guy went to jail, as he should, but I didn't have many tears for the victim either.

Yeah, the moral burden is on the perpetrator, but if you don't take practical measures to avoid known threats you share some of the responsibility. IMHO.
Thing that truly sucks is you have to lock your shit down all the time no matter what. You can blame the people for leaving their vehicles unlocked or garage door open etc etc, but really itís the criminal thieves who are at fault. Just because you leave your car unlocked on your own property does not make it ok for some jack wagon to steal it.

Most people in a couple of towns near me just leave their vehicles unlocked now and donít leave anything in them of value. Otherwise they come out to a broke window which is $$$ to replace.
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:32 PM   #19 (permalink)
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The criminal remains 100% responsible for committing the crime. The dumb bitch is 100% responsible for creating the opportunity.
This Iíve seen more then a few cars stolen at gas stations when they are left running and somebody gets out to grab a quick what ever from inside.

And in SoCal you canít blame the criminals no more so only one to blame is the victim.
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:40 PM   #20 (permalink)
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I think it comes to that old lawyer handwaving, "a reasonable man". You can't live in a bunker and commute in a tank..

Where you draw the line of enough precaution is a grey area (which to me means poorly-defined black and white).

Again, Landslide, being morally correct doesn't protect you. I'd be morally justified to store all my cash on a folding table in the driveway I own...and it would still be stolen. As much as that would outrage me, I think I'd have some responsibility for the theft.
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:46 PM   #21 (permalink)
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This Iíve seen more then a few cars stolen at gas stations when they are left running and somebody gets out to grab a quick what ever from inside.

And in SoCal you canít blame the criminals no more so only one to blame is the victim.
How about a briefcase with $30k in cash? Would it seem reasonable to set it down on the pump amd run inside for a Slurpee?
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Absolutely there is some personal responsibility in everything, however, in this day and age, no one takes personal responsibility for anything anymore. It's always someone else's fault, they are perfect, and can do nothing wrong. I deal with this on a daily basis at my work place. It's so pathetic. No one can sack up anymore and admit when they are personally responsible for something.
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No really. If she was passed out and unconscious, how did you know she was being raped?
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About as reasonable as anything else I guess. People are dumb now days not saying I think it should happen but Iíve seen plenty of dumbass stuff when Iím out and about socal.
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No really. If she was passed out and unconscious, how did you know she was being raped?
have you had a lot of consensual sex with passed out, unconscious chics?
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