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Old 10-13-2019, 09:07 AM   #76 (permalink)
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now your being dumb, they can be mitigated and risk can be reduced but they can't be controlled or fully prevented and in some places they should just let them burn.


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Pure bullshit, every one.



Wildfires are a fucking racket, and we're all supposed to reverential to their stupidity and the brave 'Heroes' that can't control a fire.



It CAN be controlled. It CAN be prevented.



It just isn't.



Well, fuck that. It's not a flood. It's not a blizzard. It's not an earthquake. It's a fire, and fires are controlled by humans.



Lack of will is all it is. Lack of will and vision, and it's racket.


So are you advocating for removing every combustible item for say a mile or 2 before any structures are allowed to be built. Sparks and ashes carry further than that in cases as well. Or are you advocating removing all combustible material completely and just having pavement. That doesnít start from lightning strikes. Many of the major wildfires in washington state are not man made but lightning strikes.
So you would either need to figure out how to prevent lightning strikes.
Remove all combustible material that could start from a lightning strike.
Or keep all building and structures or any sorts for miles, 1-1.5 miles isnít uncommon for spot fires from big wildfires, and leave it barren between the last combustible and the nearest house.

So whats your great solution to PREVENT/STOP the racket.


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Nah I'd bet on some smouldering ashes or something before I'd bet on a chemical reaction.
Who the fuck throws away smoldering ash....Oh wait....it's California, never mind.
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So are you advocating for removing every combustible item for say a mile or 2 before any structures are allowed to be built. Sparks and ashes carry further than that in cases as well. Or are you advocating removing all combustible material completely and just having pavement. That doesnít start from lightning strikes. Many of the major wildfires in washington state are not man made but lightning strikes.
So you would either need to figure out how to prevent lightning strikes.
Remove all combustible material that could start from a lightning strike.
Or keep all building and structures or any sorts for miles, 1-1.5 miles isnít uncommon for spot fires from big wildfires, and leave it barren between the last combustible and the nearest house.

So whats your great solution to PREVENT/STOP the racket.


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You don't have to stop wildfires completely, what I am talking about is human structures and lives. For example, northern houses are built to a code which requires a certain roof strength. Western houses can be built of non-flammable materials.

Furthermore, restriction of building areas should definitely be practiced, it's absurd that people live in certain draws, arroyos, and canyons that have obviously burnt in a firestorm before and will again.

Futhermore, certain total areas should be restricted, and access to certain areas barred during seasons determined by the Forest Service.

And, plans for development will have to pass a criteria set up by a body like the NFPA, which does a fantastic job at preventing electrical fires by passing their info to the NEC.

The cost of improvements, restrictions, and re-settlments should be born into the cost of property and structures exactly the same way it is to mitigate fire prevention in homes across the nation. You don't *really* need 14/2 Romex to wire a house, your house will work without it, without GFCI, without a ground, etc. But the total absence of shit (well, mostly) wiring options means even w/o reading codes, people doing electrical work just about can't fuck it up.

That should be the same standard for Western homes, businesses, schools, all of it.

It is a massive glaring inconsistency that we have built truly massive levees and waterways, possibly the largest Civil Engineering feat ever accomplished, to prevent floods, but we just let the West burn down so that the RE shysters can move back in and use Illegal labor to clap up brand-new McMansions.

What are the exact parameters of the proposed code? I have no specific idea and neither do you. The fire prevention data I've seen is rudimentary compared to the NFPA's housing regulations, statistics, big data mining, etc.

Hell, look at cars? Do you know exactly how to build a cheap, reliable, 5-star car? Probably not, but the NHSTA and car makers and insurance companies have massive data and testing to support it.

Welp, same thing needs to be done out West vis a vis wildfires.
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Video of the truck driver dumping the burning load. And some pro tow call.
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Video of the truck driver dumping the burning load. And some pro tow call.
that seemed like a real shitty spot to drop a pile of burning trash.

why not do it right on the road? not that it would have mattered much I assume.
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You don't have to stop wildfires completely, what I am talking about is human structures and lives. For example, northern houses are built to a code which requires a certain roof strength. Western houses can be built of non-flammable materials.



Furthermore, restriction of building areas should definitely be practiced, it's absurd that people live in certain draws, arroyos, and canyons that have obviously burnt in a firestorm before and will again.



Futhermore, certain total areas should be restricted, and access to certain areas barred during seasons determined by the Forest Service.



And, plans for development will have to pass a criteria set up by a body like the NFPA, which does a fantastic job at preventing electrical fires by passing their info to the NEC.



The cost of improvements, restrictions, and re-settlments should be born into the cost of property and structures exactly the same way it is to mitigate fire prevention in homes across the nation. You don't *really* need 14/2 Romex to wire a house, your house will work without it, without GFCI, without a ground, etc. But the total absence of shit (well, mostly) wiring options means even w/o reading codes, people doing electrical work just about can't fuck it up.



That should be the same standard for Western homes, businesses, schools, all of it.



It is a massive glaring inconsistency that we have built truly massive levees and waterways, possibly the largest Civil Engineering feat ever accomplished, to prevent floods, but we just let the West burn down so that the RE shysters can move back in and use Illegal labor to clap up brand-new McMansions.



What are the exact parameters of the proposed code? I have no specific idea and neither do you. The fire prevention data I've seen is rudimentary compared to the NFPA's housing regulations, statistics, big data mining, etc.



Hell, look at cars? Do you know exactly how to build a cheap, reliable, 5-star car? Probably not, but the NHSTA and car makers and insurance companies have massive data and testing to support it.



Welp, same thing needs to be done out West vis a vis wildfires.


Your comparing apples to oranges with snow and fire. I live in both zones. High fire and real snow loads, 3í over night. Snow is a static type calculation. Fire is not. Fire is alive. You would have to essentially ban any home within 2 miles from any sort of forest and keep that area barren. A fire will damn near spread just as easily airborne as under ground in the correct situation, its just slower under ground. You realize there are scenarios where you crawl on your hands and knees feeling the ground for an underground fire in some lightning situations, right? Or even steel roof concrete siding homes have wood in them and it can get hot enough to ignite the wood through the roof or siding, thats assuming an ember doesnít get into the soffit or crawlspace vent. Or a brush fire sweeping across a hay field and into a dry creek/part time wetland ditch. Cant fucking touch part time wetlands out west as it can alter the balance and some of them flow directly to an ocean or lake. So now that fire runs down creek lines.
So if your familiar with the PNW or Rocky mountain area you know there are mountains not the hills like Michigan has but real fucking mountains. And small mountains around the big ones. So what your saying is in reality that 1/3-2/3rds of west coast states cant have housing and in some case in the rockies no building in a state. So essentially you donít know what the fuck your actually proposing. But more thinking its your turn to speak so the flow of shit from your mouth runs unchecked due to ignorance and ego.

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Your comparing apples to oranges with snow and fire. I live in both zones. High fire and real snow loads, 3í over night. Snow is a static type calculation. Fire is not. Fire is alive. You would have to essentially ban any home within 2 miles from any sort of forest and keep that area barren. A fire will damn near spread just as easily airborne as under ground in the correct situation, its just slower under ground. You realize there are scenarios where you crawl on your hands and knees feeling the ground for an underground fire in some lightning situations, right? Or even steel roof concrete siding homes have wood in them and it can get hot enough to ignite the wood through the roof or siding, thats assuming an ember doesnít get into the soffit or crawlspace vent. Or a brush fire sweeping across a hay field and into a dry creek/part time wetland ditch. Cant fucking touch part time wetlands out west as it can alter the balance and some of them flow directly to an ocean or lake. So now that fire runs down creek lines.
So if your familiar with the PNW or Rocky mountain area you know there are mountains not the hills like Michigan has but real fucking mountains. And small mountains around the big ones. So what your saying is in reality that 1/3-2/3rds of west coast states cant have housing and in some case in the rockies no building in a state. So essentially you donít know what the fuck your actually proposing. But more thinking its your turn to speak so the flow of shit from your mouth runs unchecked due to ignorance and ego.

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Business opportunity, Garbage truck on board fire extinguishing system. foam? Halon....
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I'd imagine a big bottle of CO2 would probably do it.

quick, get a prototype together and then lobby the government to mandate installation.

seems to be how everyone else gets rich.
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I'd imagine a big bottle of CO2 would probably do it.

quick, get a prototype together and then lobby the government to mandate installation.

seems to be how everyone else gets rich.
Three issues:
1. If it leaks, you really dont want to be breathing concentrated CO2
2. If it gets set off, its going to make for high concentrations around the back of the truck
3. If something is hot enough to self ignite, its likely to re-ignite once the CO2 dissipates

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My problem is that he dumped it and then drove off. OK, dump the load but go do your Mexican hatdance on any embers that blow away, AND call the fucking fire department...or Douchenoob, since he knows everything.
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Graze it, Log it, or watch it Burn!

They will still start and burn but be much more fightable.


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You don't have to stop wildfires completely, what I am talking about is human structures and lives. For example, northern houses are built to a code which requires a certain roof strength. Western houses can be built of non-flammable materials.

Furthermore, restriction of building areas should definitely be practiced, it's absurd that people live in certain draws, arroyos, and canyons that have obviously burnt in a firestorm before and will again.

Futhermore, certain total areas should be restricted, and access to certain areas barred during seasons determined by the Forest Service.

And, plans for development will have to pass a criteria set up by a body like the NFPA, which does a fantastic job at preventing electrical fires by passing their info to the NEC.

The cost of improvements, restrictions, and re-settlments should be born into the cost of property and structures exactly the same way it is to mitigate fire prevention in homes across the nation. You don't *really* need 14/2 Romex to wire a house, your house will work without it, without GFCI, without a ground, etc. But the total absence of shit (well, mostly) wiring options means even w/o reading codes, people doing electrical work just about can't fuck it up.

That should be the same standard for Western homes, businesses, schools, all of it.

It is a massive glaring inconsistency that we have built truly massive levees and waterways, possibly the largest Civil Engineering feat ever accomplished, to prevent floods, but we just let the West burn down so that the RE shysters can move back in and use Illegal labor to clap up brand-new McMansions.

What are the exact parameters of the proposed code? I have no specific idea and neither do you. The fire prevention data I've seen is rudimentary compared to the NFPA's housing regulations, statistics, big data mining, etc.

Hell, look at cars? Do you know exactly how to build a cheap, reliable, 5-star car? Probably not, but the NHSTA and car makers and insurance companies have massive data and testing to support it.

Welp, same thing needs to be done out West vis a vis wildfires.
Seriously, just shut the fuck up. You like to read your own verbal vomit. You compare fire to snow, you compare cars to houses, then fire to floods. Seriously, its ok to be a complete moron, just don't pretend that anyone should ever take you seriously. #bringbackthesuckstartashotgun

You should limit your posting to things you know about, like eating boogers and shitting your pants.
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To a certain extent, Kali's fire problem is self made. We had fires there when I was a kid, but they were a regular occurrence and the brush didn't have years to build up. Since they feel the need to put them out all the time the brush has gotten out of control and the fires are drastically worse than they used to be.

Just south of the border, they have similar terrain and vegetation. The fires down there are small and for the most part they just let them burn. With a 100' clearing around a house, you can avoid getting it burn't down by a grass fire. Grass fires also do not have the massive hot embers that brush fires do.

Every time I go back to SD, I am amazed how much more brush there is than 30-40 years ago.
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To a certain extent, Kali's fire problem is self made. We had fires there when I was a kid, but they were a regular occurrence and the brush didn't have years to build up. Since they feel the need to put them out all the time the brush has gotten out of control and the fires are drastically worse than they used to be.

Just south of the border, they have similar terrain and vegetation. The fires down there are small and for the most part they just let them burn. With a 100' clearing around a house, you can avoid getting it burn't down by a grass fire. Grass fires also do not have the massive hot embers that brush fires do.

Every time I go back to SD, I am amazed how much more brush there is than 30-40 years ago.
The terrain south of the border is absolutely not the same. It is flat ground relatively. The santa ana winds are what really define our fire season.
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The terrain south of the border is absolutely not the same. It is flat ground relatively. The santa ana winds are what really define our fire season.
Uhhhhh, Having spent literally years beating around Baja, I beg to differ. The pine forest up around Laguna Hanson looks just like Cuyamaca. They also have santa anna winds in the northern part.

A few years back I was at Rancho Veronica just outside Tecate. They had a brush fire going. I sat there and watched it burn up to the edge of the Rancho. The locals put it out with shovels. It burned around the rancho and kept going. No big deal. Why? Because it burns pretty regularly.

Reminded Me of when Pendelton used to light shit on fire every summer, it just burned and nobody got excited cause it wasn't that big.
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Uhhhhh, Having spent literally years beating around Baja, I beg to differ. The pine forest up around Laguna Hanson looks just like Cuyamaca. They also have santa anna winds in the northern part.

A few years back I was at Rancho Veronica just outside Tecate. They had a brush fire going. I sat there and watched it burn up to the edge of the Rancho. The locals put it out with shovels. It burned around the rancho and kept going. No big deal. Why? Because it burns pretty regularly.

Reminded Me of when Pendelton used to light shit on fire every summer, it just burned and nobody got excited cause it wasn't that big.
Sounds wonderful. Thanks for sharing. Clearly you and your crew have it all figured out. Have you thought about maybe starting a "we need more shovels" movement? Clearly this is a lack of shovels. For fucks sake man. Really?
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Sounds wonderful. Thanks for sharing. Clearly you and your crew have it all figured out. Have you thought about maybe starting a "we need more shovels" movement? Clearly this is a lack of shovels. For fucks sake man. Really?
Reading comprehension isn't your gig is it?

The point is, if it burnt every year or 2 you wouldn't have the massive build up of brush. It could then be prevented from burning down structures with a few shovels.

But burning stuff is bad because CARB says so.......
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