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Old 10-30-2019, 12:16 PM   #226 (permalink)
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Fuck.... Iím all over this thread.... just bought an old farmhouse and acreage myself and contemplating the same as you, although smaller scale..... how many acres you talking about??? Forgive me if posted before!!!!


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Old 11-11-2019, 06:44 PM   #227 (permalink)
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Are New Holland tracked skid steers as big'a piles of shit as the Hew Holland tractors?
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Old 11-12-2019, 07:00 AM   #228 (permalink)
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Also: I'm driving out to look at a 99 Kebelco ED180 Blade Runner.

It's a little rough, and it's been sitting for 5 years. But the owner claims the 4BT started right up when he put new batteries in. He claims it works great right now. It has 2600 hours. It's priced fairly and he was very honest that it would likely need some maintenance and repairs to put it back in service. I didn't get the impression that he was up-selling his machine. He bought it from a local energy department with intentions to resell and can offer delivery with the purchase price.

My question is do these Blade Runner machines really work as well as the promotional video claims? The fact that I never see these for sale seems to point to a fact that they are well liked and held onto. I could afford a dozer on top of this excavator bit I'm hoping I could get away without one if I bought a nicer tracked skid steer with a grading blade.

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Old 11-12-2019, 07:38 AM   #229 (permalink)
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Also: I'm driving out to look at a 99 Kebelco ED180 Blade Runner.

It's a little rough, and it's been sitting for 5 years. But the owner claims the 4BT started right up when he put new batteries in. He claims it works great right now. It has 2600 hours. It's priced fairly and he was very honest that it would likely need some maintenance and repairs to put it back in service. I didn't get the impression that he was up-selling his machine. He bought it from a local energy department with intentions to resell and can offer delivery with the purchase price.

My question is do these Blade Runner machines really work as well as the promotional video claims? The fact that I never see these for sale seems to point to a fact that they are well liked and held onto. I could afford a dozer on top of this excavator bit I'm hoping I could get away without one if I bought a nicer tracked skid steer with a grading blade.

https://youtu.be/-UqEr4TvsGM
I could see this model having value for pipeline work or such where you are moving loose fill, but to use as a dozer for cutting and grading I would expect it to be very poor to useless. Travel speed is going to be very slow, and your traction for cutting would be poor with that style grouser.
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They work well when you need to backfill the ditch you just dug.
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Also: I'm driving out to look at a 99 Kebelco ED180 Blade Runner.

It's a little rough, and it's been sitting for 5 years. But the owner claims the 4BT started right up when he put new batteries in. He claims it works great right now. It has 2600 hours. It's priced fairly and he was very honest that it would likely need some maintenance and repairs to put it back in service. I didn't get the impression that he was up-selling his machine. He bought it from a local energy department with intentions to resell and can offer delivery with the purchase price.

My question is do these Blade Runner machines really work as well as the promotional video claims? The fact that I never see these for sale seems to point to a fact that they are well liked and held onto. I could afford a dozer on top of this excavator bit I'm hoping I could get away without one if I bought a nicer tracked skid steer with a grading blade.

https://youtu.be/-UqEr4TvsGM
2600 hrs seems awfully low for a 20 year old machine, especially if its rough. Ours see about 2000 a year.

As far as the blade, they are useful for spreading loose material(gravel), leveling and stabilizing the machine, and can help when loading a pile. They aren't that great at cutting grade, with only an up and down.
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Old 11-12-2019, 07:57 AM   #232 (permalink)
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I could see this model having value for pipeline work or such where you are moving loose fill, but to use as a dozer for cutting and grading I would expect it to be very poor to useless. Travel speed is going to be very slow, and your traction for cutting would be poor with that style grouser.
Max speed is 4.4mph.

Do you think a 150" 3 grouser under a 20 ton machine would be worse than a single grouser under a 10 ton 115" dozer?

This is the Dozer I have picked out if I buy one.

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Old 11-12-2019, 07:58 AM   #233 (permalink)
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2600 hrs seems awfully low for a 20 year old machine, especially if its rough. Ours see about 2000 a year.

As far as the blade, they are useful for spreading loose material(gravel), leveling and stabilizing the machine, and can help when loading a pile. They aren't that great at cutting grade, with only an up and down.
Look up these blade runners. They use a 210 dozer undercarriage with a 6 way dozer blade.

It sat for 5 years before this guy bought it. He paid scrap and was honest about it. The big thing that makes it rough is the time it sat unused and the fact that the cab got hit and is tweaked so glass can't be put back in. This all makes it more affordable on my end too.

I do like old low hour machines. My 1970 International loader has 1700 hours and has been amazing to us. Only ever done fluids.

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Blade runners are bad ass, and highly sought after.

Sure a "real" dozer will get more production, but that would be the ideal machine for what you want.

My buddy has a 150 and loves it. I was just talking to another operator who has a buddy that builds logging roads and all he uses is a blade runner. Does absolutely everything with it, including loading the logs on the truck.

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Look up these blade runners. They use a 210 dozer undercarriage with a 6 way dozer blade.
Honestly don't see the point. Excavator will cut grade just as well in small areas. More stuff to go wrong on an old machine.

But I've also never been around one. All our machines with blades are 2 way

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here is an auction coming up in a week, they have been setting up for the sale the past couple days, buy a truck and trailer to haul it

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Just an fyi, if you buy a piece of equipment that requires an RGN to haul it, you're looking at aprox $1 per axle to haul it. So if its on a 3 axle truck and 3 axle trailer and its under gross (gonna have to be 40k or less for the machine) you're looking at around $6/mi because any machine that size is going to be an osow load. The co Im trying to hire onto now specializes in this type of hauling. They just had 3 trucks run equipment out of W Tx over to Ms at $6-8/mi per truck and theyre so busy they keep 20 trucks moving.
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Just an fyi, if you buy a piece of equipment that requires an RGN to haul it, you're looking at aprox $1 per axle to haul it. So if its on a 3 axle truck and 3 axle trailer and its under gross (gonna have to be 40k or less for the machine) you're looking at around $6/mi because any machine that size is going to be an osow load. The co Im trying to hire onto now specializes in this type of hauling. They just had 3 trucks run equipment out of W Tx over to Ms at $6-8/mi per truck and theyre so busy they keep 20 trucks moving.

Good rule of thumb, could you define rgn and osow?
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Good rule of thumb, could you define rgn and osow?
RGN = Removable Goosneck - A low bed where the goosneck comes off to drive something up the front of the trailer:


OSOW = Over Size Or Weight load aka $$$$, permits and hassles to move

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I just looked it over.

Problems:
-no cross cut on the blade. Seems to be electrical because both 1 and 2 pumps function with full power.
-cab and door are smashed good. So no glass.
- carriage leaks a little.
- bucket cyl is bent but still works and isn't leaking yet.
- throttle switch is broken.

Selling Points:
- hour meter works and looks accurate
- engine started right up even though it's below freezing. 4bt for the win
- turbo is tight. No smoke
- undercarriage is great!
- hydraulics lifted whole machine no problem.
- dash still works.
- called local dealer and they said blue book is $84k. Sale price is $18k.
- called previous owner. They sent it to auction when the blade stopped working due to 20year age. They phased it out without even pricing the repair. The guy in the shop that I talked to said he wanted to buy it.
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So why haven't you bought it yet?
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Whatís the cost of the bucket cylinder that needs to be replaced?
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Buy it and use the dozer money to fix it properly
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Whatís the cost of the bucket cylinder that needs to be replaced?
Quote I just got was $500-800 for the shaft and $200-$400 to rebuild.
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RGN = Removable Goosneck - A low bed where the goosneck comes off to drive something up the front of the trailer:


OSOW = Over Size Or Weight load aka $$$$, permits and hassles to move

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There ya go. Most heavy haul co's run under an annual permit to save $ until a specific load requires a permit that has larger requirements than the annual. It's so convoluted I couldn't even begin to explain it all because frankly I dont know a lot of the rules.

Weight permits always cost a lot more than oversize permits. Ive run 15'7 in TX and it was less than $100 for that permit, but an overweight permit for lets say 90k lbs gross might be 3x's that. An annual permit for 130k gross and 12'6 wide is like 5 grand a year per truck.
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To move that Kobelco machine 100mi or less is going to cost about $1000. You're going to tie up a truck/trailer for most of a day from pick up to delivery. Depends on dh miles the company has to run to get the machine as well.
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Buy it and use the dozer money to fix it properly
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That bladerunner will do anything you need. I'd be on that like hobo on a ham sandwich.
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Whatís the cost of the bucket cylinder that needs to be replaced?
Just did a 744h bucket cylinder. Broke the rod at the nut. The charged me 2100 to weld new rod on and repack cylinder.
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There ya go. Most heavy haul co's run under an annual permit to save $ until a specific load requires a permit that has larger requirements than the annual. It's so convoluted I couldn't even begin to explain it all because frankly I dont know a lot of the rules.

Weight permits always cost a lot more than oversize permits. Ive run 15'7 in TX and it was less than $100 for that permit, but an overweight permit for lets say 90k lbs gross might be 3x's that. An annual permit for 130k gross and 12'6 wide is like 5 grand a year per truck.
I have a Osow permit on my heavy haul. My plates are 600 a year and my permit is 800 a year for up to 150,000 gross 120í long 16í high 14í wide(no trip permits needed). If I go over the 150,000 then I need to get state and county permits which are about 100 a piece per trip. Over 150,000 I hire the hauling out. This means just my 350l excavator 115zvi loaders and my breakers. The heavy haulers just charge me 125 a hour.
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