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Old 10-22-2019, 11:06 AM   #26 (permalink)
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I am watching this because I am looking at ranch property, but in a completely different climate. Are you sure you want the arena right next to what looks like the main residence? I would want the horse areas a few acres away from the residence if possible, especially if its going to be a training facility. Keep the private areas private.

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1) It's the only high ground that is big enough and flat enough while not being next to the road. The area where you can see the outline of a round pin is going to be the jump arena. We will be using ever square inch of this property. Especially given the terrain.

2) That house will be for the barn manager and a working student to live in. They get a free house with the job. They will be working with the horses sun up to sun down. I doubt it matters to them.

3) The barn is already 100ft from the house. The arena will be just as far away.

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buy my d9 and make short work out of it. the d9 is impressive in what it can do, but it burns a shit ton of fuel. like 18 to 20 gallons a hour. i have a pc300 that is an awesome machine, and a 10k # skid steer. but we were using the d9g and a skid steer to finish and slick things up. i was impressed with what we did in a few hours. i would tell you to keep up with the auctions and remember the big stuff gets expensive to haul. i ended up buying my skid steer out of long island a having it shipped to texas. it still saved me a couple thousand bucks.
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Like how expensive?

Like $500 in town $1k every 300 miles?
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No homo, but we're a lot alike. My fiance is balls deep into english riding, going for her PhD, published papers, etc. I run equipment and sell vehicles for a living.

I have a '96 JD 450 dozer and a '06 Cat D5. The JD just works, but you need 3 hands to operate it. Once you get into a rythm it's not bad. In the past 15 years I'll I've done is fluid, filters. And a few broken bolts. The Cat is 100x easier and more efficient to operate, but it's always fucking up for some reason or another. I use them for cedar, mesquite, and oaks. Both were bought off lease with 500 hours.

Heres where it gets tricky. I prefer to have one piece of equipment that does something really well. A 100HP tractor to shred and plow. A JD 410 for dirt work. 6yd dump truck.... you get the idea. I prefer to buy something used/decent. Spend the money getting it up to spec and ready, then abusing the hell out of it.

I'm really debating on buying a new SVL75 and saying fuck it. You'll be maintaining after you get all that shit done and itll be great to have around. Have a hydrostatic tractor to drag the rings with. Whatever broads who want a barn manager job wont have the mechanical ability to operate older equip.

Do you plan on selling the equipment when your done? Or is this a forever purchase?
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Like how expensive?

Like $500 in town $1k every 300 miles?
It's $135 - $150 / hour around here for a low bed. More obviously if you need oversize permits.
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Old 10-22-2019, 11:47 AM   #31 (permalink)
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No homo, but we're a lot alike. My fiance is balls deep into english riding, going for her PhD, published papers, etc. I run equipment and sell vehicles for a living.

I have a '96 JD 450 dozer and a '06 Cat D5. The JD just works, but you need 3 hands to operate it. Once you get into a rythm it's not bad. In the past 15 years I'll I've done is fluid, filters. And a few broken bolts. The Cat is 100x easier and more efficient to operate, but it's always fucking up for some reason or another. I use them for cedar, mesquite, and oaks. Both were bought off lease with 500 hours.

Heres where it gets tricky. I prefer to have one piece of equipment that does something really well. A 100HP tractor to shred and plow. A JD 410 for dirt work. 6yd dump truck.... you get the idea. I prefer to buy something used/decent. Spend the money getting it up to spec and ready, then abusing the hell out of it.

I'm really debating on buying a new SVL75 and saying fuck it. You'll be maintaining after you get all that shit done and itll be great to have around. Have a hydrostatic tractor to drag the rings with. Whatever broads who want a barn manager job wont have the mechanical ability to operate older equip.

Do you plan on selling the equipment when your done? Or is this a forever purchase?
My plan is to keep. But that's not an idea I'm holding tightly. I could sell out completely and move on. I could also sell and reinvest, taking my learned experience with me to make better purchases later.

Thanks for the feedback.

What are your thoughts on track hoes?
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10,000$ an hour is the rate for Grove removal in these parts. That's alot of equipment though, and they tear shit up quick.
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My plan is to keep. But that's not an idea I'm holding tightly. I could sell out completely and move on. I could also sell and reinvest, taking my learned experience with me to make better purchases later.

Thanks for the feedback.

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Trackhoe/excavators do everything well except hauling material long distances.
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10,000$ an hour is the rate for Grove removal in these parts. That's alot of equipment though, and they tear shit up quick.
That has to be a typo. I got a quote of $6k a week. Which works out to $150 an hour.
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Get a hoe, truck and a dozer. You can do everything you want to do with those. My dad has been in the excavating business my entire life. 90% of the stuff he does uses those three pieces. When you buy a truck get a truck big enough you can pull a 20t tandem or triaxle tag trailer behind it to move your own shit.

Equipment in your price range I would be looking for a 9020b or 9030b excavator and a 850g case dozer. I own both and they are awesome old machines. They are stupid and have Cummins 6bt engines in them. They get Bonus points for being the wrong color paint so the don’t command a premium. I absolutely hate the new case but the old stuff is not too bad.

I would look at machinery trader for equipment. In order to sell on that site the people must pass a background type check. It kinda helps to keep the shady shit out.

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What's the difference between, say this 850C vs a G vs D... B. Ect? Also 1150 and 950 moldels? These seem to be a good price point. When did case stop being good in your opinion.

I spoke to Crawford this morning. He suggested I find an old ass D6 or Deere dozer and a newer Takachi track loader.
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Those are all too spendy.

Here's a D6 for $700
https://up.craigslist.org/hvo/d/bara...963733834.html
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What's the difference between, say this 850C vs a G vs D... B. Ect? Also 1150 and 950 moldels? These seem to be a good price point. When did case stop being good in your opinion.

I spoke to Crawford this morning. He suggested I find an old ass D6 or Deere dozer and a newer Takachi track loader.
C-G I have never owned a h. We got a brand new one and it honestly pushes like a son of a bitch but I not a fan of def and wire nightmares.
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Those are all too spendy.

Here's a D6 for $700
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Lol that 850g will out push that d6. You want a machine that powers through turns not brake to turn.
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It's $135 - $150 / hour around here for a low bed. More obviously if you need oversize permits.
i got the d9 moved for 700.00 60 miles one way. and that was a pretty good deal for around dfw. the trailer was 10' wide that they used, i think they just buy an overwidth permit for the year. my excavator is 12' wide and no escorts were needed in colorado.
i bought an old jd skid steer last year to leave in colorado. i ran wheeled rigs years ago but i have only run tracked machines since then. i fucking hated it with a passion on the side of the mountain. i sold it off and have been looking for another tracked machine.
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I'm just playing around on market place getting an idea of private party prices. But I'd be interested to hear critiques of these machines. Trackhoes have all sorts of brands I'm completely unfamiliar with. I see a lot of Komotsu machines for sale. What's the break down on some of this Asian equipment?

I'm also CHEAP by the way. I'd rather rub pennies than buy shiny stuff. I'd also rather buy inexpensive stuff and sink a little money into up front rebuilding parts of it than buy something that's a premium but will need work later down the road. That said, I can't justify doing too much work. A full rebuild ain't happenin'.
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I'm just playing around on market place getting an idea of private party prices. But I'd be interested to hear critiques of these machines. Trackhoes have all sorts of brands I'm completely unfamiliar with. I see a lot of Komotsu machines for sale. What's the break down on some of this Asian equipment?

I'm also CHEAP by the way. I'd rather rub pennies than buy shiny stuff. I'd also rather buy inexpensive stuff and sink a little money into up front rebuilding parts of it than buy something that's a premium but will need work later down the road. That said, I can't justify doing too much work. A full rebuild ain't happenin'.
I would pick the case but that is just me .
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A brush blade would be very helpful for your dozer.
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if you don't already know how get someone to show you what to look for when you inspect the undercarriage and tracks. Used machines usually need work in that department and that can get expensive quick.

For what you are describing i would look for a 40k or less trackhoe with a thumb and a tracked skid steer. Don't waste your time on a rubber tire skid steer. Rent a dozer if you need one for a few days.
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Not the same situation, but similar. We have a 160 acre (mile by 1/4 mile) family homestead turned adult playground and are always buying up used equipment for projects. We've cleared a bunch of land, built an 1400x110+ airstrip, a couple hangers, float plane launch, mile long roads, etc. The land is anything but flat, huge trees, low swamp, the whole nine yards.

The current fleet:

90s Hitachi EX200 excavator (track hoe to some of you)
2004 John Deere 35C mini ex
2012 Cat 257B tracked skid steer w/ forks
2010ish Volvo G960 grader
90s Komatsu WA250 loader w/ forks
90s Cat D5
2x 50s Cat cable D8s (one with 24v starter conversion, one original pony motor)
Big single drum Detroit powered compactor (can't remember the mfg)
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Kenworth dump truck

Everything except for the skid steer and Kenworth were auctions or craigslist.

Based on my experience with the above, I would say buy a bigger tracked skid steer, buy an old dump truck, buy or rent a medium sized excavator depending on what the market is like in your area, and rent the dozer. A smaller excavator with a blade is really nice to have, but for your initial project bigger is better. That's something I would consider picking up later though.

The skid steer is handy as hell, it's hands down what I use the most. Get a clapped out demolition breaker and convert it to drive piling, that would cover your fence project as well. I did this for the mini excavator and use it for all sorts of projects.

If you can find an excavator in the 140-200 size range with a thumb it should do everything you need. Ours is an old demolition contractors unit, so it was about at the end of its serious commercial life, but just fine for what I need and dirt cheap.

A modern D5 vs a mechanical D8 is no comparison. The 5 is bigger, much easier to operate and way faster. The old cable 8s are cool, but take 7 hands to operate and don't get it done fast. I would much rather rent something new with a 6 way blade vs buy something old with a straight or angle blade.
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My plan is to keep. But that's not an idea I'm holding tightly. I could sell out completely and move on. I could also sell and reinvest, taking my learned experience with me to make better purchases later.

Thanks for the feedback.

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Never had a need for one, I'm not in the excavation business. Most of my experience comes from ranching, whatever hole I need, a backhoe can make it happen.

I've operated mini exs to for electrical and plumbing, but never for land clearing. Could never justify a big machine.

Letters after the model number designate the evolution/changes in the machine. What the changes are, I cant tell you off hand.
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15 years because snob.

Anything new enough to have yellow paint is fine for personal use IMHO.
It would change my hours and maintenance criteria as well as price. They are out there, buddy got a beat to shit but solid as a rock PC200 Komatsu, 2009 from a couple hours from Action Fab for 30K with 9K hrs on it. Runs like a top, digs amazingly well. The difference in the late 90s and even early 2K stuff is noticeable by far. Do you want to get done or do you want to spend all day and lots of repair dollars struggling to hire it done to hit your deadline. Get a mostly used piece or name brand stuff and knock project out, divest when done if wanted, keep if you love it. For a grade as steep as you're talking, give me a hoe or a loader, which is a ton of money and more of a repair gamble.
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20k to clear the land, why even screw with buying 100k of iron?
Around here ive seen an acre cost that much to get build ready.
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That has to be a typo. I got a quote of $6k a week. Which works out to $150 an hour.
I misspoke, all this hourly talk, 10,000$ an ACRE.

Dig a hole throw abunch of tires in there and burn shit up. Buy a skidloader or something that has a whole bunch of other uses with HayBurners. Big equipment is fun, but can be a gamble.
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20k to clear the land, why even screw with buying 100k of iron?
Around here ive seen an acre cost that much to get build ready.
Don't question horse people logic.

14 acre "farm" in the OP should have been your first clue.

and I'll add that there is no need to question someone who wants to buy big old equipment. Best use of OP's money would probably be to not buy the land, instead put it in mutual funds, and live in a 1 bedroom efficiency apt. in town and work at home depot. However IMHO life is supposed to be fun, not simple.
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