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Old 11-23-2019, 05:12 PM   #526 (permalink)
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This is why I view Trump as more of an independant. Both sides freaked out when he got elected. Some were quicker to realize he wasn't going anywhere and got on board, others still haven't and their true colors are shining brite.
"Some were quicker to figure out he wasn't going anywhere . . .. "

Uh, huh ?

Can you expand on that please

I was with you until you said that.
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This is why I view Trump as more of an independant. Both sides freaked out when he got elected. Some were quicker to realize he wasn't going anywhere and got on board, others still haven't and their true colors are shining brite.
"Some were quicker to figure out he wasn't going anywhere . . .. "

Uh, huh ?

Can you expand on that please <a href="https://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/images/smilies/laughing.gif" border="0" alt="" title="laughing" >:-)</a>

I was with you until you said that.
Yeah, not that he would literally be gone but instead he would cower down to the pressure of the swamp. I think they thought he wouldn't have the public behind him as strong as he does and they would have made him a lame duck president. They would keep running the show as usual. A. Few of them saw the writing on the wall and got in his corner early on.
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Old 11-23-2019, 06:06 PM   #528 (permalink)
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Watch more of the hearings and rely less on the extremely biased media.

Media says that Sonland testified that Trump told him to withhold fund unless they cooperate with the investigation.

Reality:
https://www.facebook.com/FreedomWork...1954702490155/

"He [Trump] just said 'I want nothing, I want nothing, no quid pro quo'"

Basically if you watch the hearing you'll see Sonland as he says repeatedly that he made assumption, presumptions; if anyone should be prosecuted here it's the guy who "assumed."

Dig that hole deeper Dem's there's a lot of you that's going to end up buried in it.
So your thoughts are that he didn't make this demand a condition of the release of the aid, a WH meeting, etc.

Sorry but no matter what he told Sondland, that doesn't seem plausible.

I find that people that have something to hide, hide shit.

Like the phone call unaltered or redacted in its original audio form, the fact that nobody from his team testified and fought it the whole way.

If he is trolling and puts it all out there and makes a fools of Shiff for brains in the future, I will eat my words. But it looks shady as fuck from here.

Now saying that, I really don't give a fuck for the most part. Like I said, there are strings attached for most everything people give.

I just don't care for the personal gain part.

Don't know how someone can defend this, if true, and be pissed about the IRS shit with Obama and the 504c3 groups.

Both are using the government power to extract personal gain against others.
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Sorry but no matter what he told Sondland, that doesn't seem plausible.
Even after the Dem's "star" witness said repeatedly that he is the one who made assumptions and presumptions... he said it so many times that if you turned it into a drinking game where you took a shot every time he said "I assumed" or "I presumed" you'd be on the floor passed out before he was half done.

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Like the phone call unaltered or redacted in its original audio form, the fact that nobody from his team testified and fought it the whole way.
Why would he or anyone on his team agree to participate in the circus that the Dem's have turned this into? They changed the rules up front and have been making it up as they go a long. Either way the real show will be in the Senate, that's where many believe the tables will turn, the democRats will turn on each other and the whole thing will blow up in their faces. The Senate has always been the target.

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If he is trolling and puts it all out there and makes a fools of Shiff for brains in the future, I will eat my words. But it looks shady as fuck from here.
What is "shady as fuck" is the Dem's making such a huge stink out of nothing, trying as hard as they can to make the "quid pro quo" narrative fit so they can oust Trump and put the guy who is actually guilty of quid pro quo and bragged about it on camera into the White House. https://youtu.be/DrpXyXKZUR4
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Yeah, not that he would literally be gone but instead he would cower down to the pressure of the swamp. I think they thought he wouldn't have the public behind him as strong as he does and they would have made him a lame duck president. They would keep running the show as usual. A. Few of them saw the writing on the wall and got in his corner early on.
Well said.
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Old 11-23-2019, 07:10 PM   #531 (permalink)
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Even after the Dem's "star" witness said repeatedly that he is the one who made assumptions and presumptions... he said it so many times that if you turned it into a drinking game where you took a shot every time he said "I assumed" or "I presumed" you'd be on the floor passed out before he was half done.


Why would he or anyone on his team agree to participate in the circus that the Dem's have turned this into? They changed the rules up front and have been making it up as they go a long. Either way the real show will be in the Senate, that's where many believe the tables will turn, the democRats will turn on each other and the whole thing will blow up in their faces. The Senate has always been the target.


What is "shady as fuck" is the Dem's making such a huge stink out of nothing, trying as hard as they can to make the "quid pro quo" narrative fit so they can oust Trump and put the guy who is actually guilty of quid pro quo and bragged about it on camera into the White House. https://youtu.be/DrpXyXKZUR4
I am on your political side more than you think.

YES, the democrats are shady fucks. Yes, Biden and his son are shady as well.

And finally, yes. I agree the show will be in the Senate where the Republicans get to call some shots. All the FISA shit, the dossier, the whistleblower, etc. I cant fucking wait to see some assholes get reamed and ruined.

However, I dont play the whatabout.... game.

You can't complain about others being shady when your guy does shady shit and stand and scream whatabout him!!! Trump, by all smell tests, did this.

If he didn't, he could torpedo Shiff tomorrow morning with the full release of the phone call. He wont, and there is a reason for that. I know it. You know it.

Maybe they are playing the long game and just want to get into the Senate but being impeached doesn't go away, even if not convicted. Trump is such an egomaniac he would never want to go down in history as being impeached, again, even if not convicted.......and he NEVER will be.
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So your thoughts are that he didn't make this demand a condition of the release of the aid, a WH meeting, etc.

Sorry but no matter what he told Sondland, that doesn't seem plausible.

I find that people that have something to hide, hide shit.

Like the phone call unaltered or redacted in its original audio form, the fact that nobody from his team testified and fought it the whole way.

If he is trolling and puts it all out there and makes a fools of Shiff for brains in the future, I will eat my words. But it looks shady as fuck from here.

Now saying that, I really don't give a fuck for the most part. Like I said, there are strings attached for most everything people give.

I just don't care for the personal gain part.

Don't know how someone can defend this, if true, and be pissed about the IRS shit with Obama and the 504c3 groups.

Both are using the government power to extract personal gain against others.
Hey guyz, lets say the same shit over and over, I mean some of it might be true, right?
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Hey guyz, lets say the same shit over and over, I mean some of it might be true, right?
Then show me where I am wrong. Can you because that is what I am looking for if you read what I wrote.

Snide, childish comments are not much to go on
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Ensuing events for 13 House managers
Of the 13 members of the House who managed Clinton's trial in the Senate, one lost to a Democrat in his 2000 bid for re-election (James E. Rogan, to Adam Schiff).

Why do I get the feeling there will be 4 Articles of Impeachment if the Socialists move to impeach? Coincidentally the same that was applied to Criminal Clinton.
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Ensuing events for 13 House managers
Of the 13 members of the House who managed Clinton's trial in the Senate, one lost to a Democrat in his 2000 bid for re-election (James E. Rogan, to Adam Schiff).

Why do I get the feeling there will be 4 Articles of Impeachment if the Socialists move to impeach? Coincidentally the same that was applied to Criminal Clinton.
The question is IF they'll impeach Trump.


I can't see the Democrats being THAT stupid to do it.

For some reason I'm giving the Democrats the benefit of doubt; they can't be that stupid!
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Then show me where I am wrong. Can you because that is what I am looking for if you read what I wrote.

Snide, childish comments are not much to go on
Let's consider these questions.

1) can a president ask a foreign government to investigate a US citizen?

2) can a president ask a foreign government not to investigate a citizen or possibly a company within that country?

3) can there be a squid do Jo if one party doesn't know there is something being offered in exchange? Or held back as a consequence?


You seems like you are trying but I think you are victim of the propoganda.
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Then show me where I am wrong. Can you because that is what I am looking for if you read what I wrote.

Snide, childish comments are not much to go on
I have been reading the Pelosi to announce at 5 thread and this thread from their inceptions, other people have said almost the exact same things you just did from the beginning especially in the Pelosi thread. It's all been covered ad Nauseam. :shrug:
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Let's consider these questions.

1) can a president ask a foreign government to investigate a US citizen?
Yes, of course. I am sure that happens every single day. If the sitting president attempts to have a rival smeared though for personal financial or political gain, that is different.
2) can a president ask a foreign government not to investigate a citizen or possibly a company within that country?
Same answer as above

3) can there be a squid do Jo if one party doesn't know there is something being offered in exchange? Or held back as a consequence?
Now that is a great point. From what I saw from the hearings, Ukraine didn't know that the aid was being withheld but were worried that it hasn't arrived when they thought it would or something like that.

You seems like you are trying but I think you are victim of the propoganda.
I dont think that I am a victim. I don't trust the news media so believing what I read it a non-starter. But as someone who doesn't have the hours to watch all the testimony myself, there comes a point that I have to watch and read news accounts. Sorting them from fact to fiction is sometimes hard, and sometimes not. I stay away from the normal totally biased media, which is 90% or more of it these days unfortunately.

The fact is I just havent found clear and convincing support for either position. He didn't do anything or he did. There is a TON of smoke whether anyone from the right wants to admit it or not but that doesn't mean that there is fire for sure.
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I have been reading the Pelosi to announce at 5 thread and this thread from their inceptions, other people have said almost the exact same things you just did from the beginning especially in the Pelosi thread. It's all been covered ad Nauseam. :shrug:
i started reading that thread but got bored of it. It turned into just a bunch of name calling.

Ill go back and read it. Thanks
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How can it be for Trumps personal gain in the 2020 election when it happened before Creepy Joe was even running and not only that he had said he wasn't going to?
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The way I see it; Trump is asking for an investigation to see if there was some illegal shit going on with H Biden. He isn't asking for "made up shit"; like the Steele dossier. Trump has to watch his back; Hillary can find a way to suicide him.
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How can it be for Trumps personal gain in the 2020 election when it happened before Creepy Joe was even running and not only that he had said he wasn't going to?
Is that true though? Not sure.

media says phone call happened on July 25.
Biden formally announced April 25
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The way I see it; Trump is asking for an investigation to see if there was some illegal shit going on with H Biden. He isn't asking for "made up shit"; like the Steele dossier. Trump has to watch his back; Hillary can find a way to suicide him.
The way I understood it he was asking for them to cooperate with AG Barr in his investigation, no ?

How is this illegal ?
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Yeah someone needs to match Alexandra Chalupa up to capital Hill and put her ass under oath. She's the DNC operative working with the Ukrainian embassy to dig shit up on manafort and try to smear Trump. Her social media is filled with some ridiculous stuff.
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Yeah someone needs to match Alexandra Chalupa up to capital Hill and put her ass under oath. She's the DNC operative working with the Ukrainian embassy to dig shit up on manafort and try to smear Trump. Her social media is filled with some ridiculous stuff.
This; and 50 bazillion other witnesses/state department personnel/WH personnel/DNC personnel/etc, etc, etc.


If Trump get impeached and it goes to the Senate, that's exactly what will happen.

The first two Senate witnesses to be called?

1) HILLARY

2) OBAMA
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Is that true though? Not sure.

media says phone call happened on July 25.
Biden formally announced April 25
I was going back to when Biden withheld loan Guarantees to get the Ukrainian prosecutor who was investigating the company Bidens son was getting paid tons of money to be on their board, fired. The funny thing is, that is still perceived as Ok to be ignored by Impeachment supporters. The other funny thing is how now Bidens creepiness is totally overlooked too.

Its weird to find myself somewhat supporting a person who i know I probably wouldn't even be able to enjoy being around much or talking with in person because it annoys me how much he is being bullied by the supposed PC anti bullying crowd. He can be an asshole so any and every kind of attack is Ok.

The media bias makes me doubt all of their reporting too and all of this crap has had me watching more political videos than I ever thought I would again after I got "sick and fed up" of them in 2015/16.

Back to the sidelines .
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Schiff seems a bit wobbly on impeachment after he realized the Senate is going to call him as a material witness. They'll shred him under oath.
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Schiff seems a bit wobbly on impeachment after he realized the Senate is going to call him as a material witness. They'll shred him under oath.

He'll have to plead the 5th, tell the truth of all his lies, or face perjury charges.
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