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Old 11-25-2019, 07:22 AM   #551 (permalink)
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Schiff seems a bit wobbly on impeachment after he realized the Senate is going to call him as a material witness. They'll shred him under oath.
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I bet they won't vote for impeachment, but will issue a formal proclamation of butthurtedness
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It's almost a guarantee:

Schiff says more hearings, witnesses possible

https://kdvr.com/2019/11/24/schiff-s...sses-possible/
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I bet they won't vote for impeachment, but will issue a formal proclamation of butthurtedness
Not sure it's in print anywhere. I thought up with the real reason why he's wavering. He says he needs to talk to his constituents over the holidays about impeachment. Thing is, his constituency is only made up of 14% Republicans (Burbank, CA). In other words, the district he represents want to hang Trump.

IMO, the dems will ultimately back away from impeachment but will have the heavy cloud of impeachment and wrong doing dominating the MSM.
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IMO, the dems will ultimately back away from impeachment but will have the heavy cloud of impeachment and wrong doing dominating the MSM.
Somehow, someone needs to force Pelosi to hold a vote. Trump needs to fire up his twitter machine directed at her until she does it, or its clear she never intends to.
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Somehow, someone needs to force Pelosi to hold a vote. Trump needs to fire up his twitter machine directed at her until she does it, or its clear she never intends to.
Yes, I heard recently that they are considering the lesser punishment of "censure". If they censure him, nothing goes to the senate. Basically, nothing happens at all, so this will probably be their "out". They get to smear him without the backlash in the senate.
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Yes, I heard recently that they are considering the lesser punishment of "censure". If they censure him, nothing goes to the senate. Basically, nothing happens at all, so this will probably be their "out". They get to smear him without the backlash in the senate.
The problem for the Democrats with that; it'll look like Trump wasn't guilty.


Since this is all show; said Democrats want it to 'look' like Trump's guilty, being they have absolute zero substance in their accusations.

So 'looking' guilty is all they got.
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OK, so I thought of something really funny. Maybe it's completely wrong. Some of you guys that know the constitution can correct me.

What if the Dems impeach Trump and the senate does not remove him. Then next election Trump wins and the republicans win the house and senate. Could the new house "void" the impeachment? They could pass a resolution that deturmines it was entirely political and strikes it from the record.

Can you imagine the heads exploding?
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OK, so I thought of something really funny. Maybe it's completely wrong. Some of you guys that know the constitution can correct me.

What if the Dems impeach Trump and the senate does not remove him. Then next election Trump wins and the republicans win the house and senate. Could the new house "void" the impeachment? They could pass a resolution that deturmines it was entirely political and strikes it from the record.

Can you imagine the heads exploding?
Imagine, if you can, the Dems edging all the way to November. They aren't going to vote on impeachment, Pelosi won't let it happen, and never would. They will just keep up the propaganda campaign until election.
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Imagine, if you can, the Dems edging all the way to November. They aren't going to vote on impeachment, Pelosi won't let it happen, and never would. They will just keep up the propaganda campaign until election.
I agree.


How many felonies have elected congressional Democrats committed since Nov. 9, 2016???

A SCHITT-TON!


And a Senate trial would definitely expose many of them.
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Imagine, if you can, the Dems edging all the way to November. They aren't going to vote on impeachment, Pelosi won't let it happen, and never would. They will just keep up the propaganda campaign until election.
If needed, I can see the Dems push for an impeachment as to try to prevent a SCOTUS pick and to keep the negative publicity ongoing against President Trump and the mainly spineless Repugs up to election time. I believe the Dems are watching Ginsburg very closely. What else does the Dems got to do? Govern?
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I believe the Dems are watching Ginsburg very closely. What else does the Dems got to do? Govern?
Nooo. You don't say LOL.

Everytime RBG sneezes, you read about it in the mainstream along with a follow up of her back out on the track running and jumping hurdles. I've never seen anyone more propped up to stay alive and to keep on working more than that ole gal. She has no option but to work til she dies. And to keep on living and working some more.
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This was an interesting read from National Review.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/quo-vadis...110032324.html


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Quo Vadis, Democrati?

National Review Victor Davis Hanson

National Review 9 hours ago


Where are the Democrats going next?

Prior to this past week, for days Adam Schiff had concocted a pretty effective fix. He conducted secret impeachment inquiries in the House basement. Schiff kept quiet about his rigged rules. He orchestrated selective media leaks from the opening statements of favorable witnesses and then more or less threatened with ethical violations any Republican member who copied his tactics and leaked their own often effective cross-examinations.

The result was that the public heard only from Schiff about Schiff’s damning slam-dunk hearings. A drip-by-drip melting of both Trump’s polls and resistance to impeachment followed.

Schiff emerged for brief soundbites, bit his lip, and for a minute or two regretted the tragedy of having to hear damaging testimony about his own president.

But then I suppose Schiff’s Hubris finally lured in Nemesis.

Schiff’s overweening ambition and ego drove him into a full-fledged, prime-daytime soap opera. Previously washed and rinsed witnesses returned for televised cross-examinations with Schiff in the star inquisitor role. He apparently thought he could outperform his own Republican colleagues on camera — people he had blatantly misrepresented for weeks.

But television allowed the country to conclude that seeing and hearing Schiff all day long was a different experience from catching minute- or two-minute glimpses of him. The TV version was entirely toxic.

In person, some of the House civil-servant witnesses were haughty. They were certainly obsessed with their positions, titles, and résumés, and eager to talk down to others while talking themselves up. But mostly they sounded incoherent in decrying a brief hold on military assistance to Ukraine by a president who in fact has armed Ukrainians in a way his predecessor never dared. Most of the public came away with several general takeaways — all harmful to the Democrats.

One, the more viewers learned of the corrupt, wily Ukrainians (who were constantly shifting alliances to bet on the anticipated 2016 front-runner), the more they thought that Trump might have been circumspect to have held up, if only for a few weeks, U.S. military assistance in the first place, at least until he learned the nature of the new Ukrainian president. The more one learned about the baffling array of freelancing and often duplicitous Ukrainian ambassadors, prosecutors, foreign ministers, presidents, and gas directors, the more one concluded it might be better to let them get their house in order first.

Two, why blast a president who armed the Ukrainians while staying silent about a prior president who refused military aid and even used non-military aid as a lever to adjudicate Ukraine prosecutions?

Three, the House Republican interrogators, previously mostly unknown, turned out to be far more effective cross-examiners than their Democratic counterparts, in part because the latter were trying to remove a president on the basis of hearsay.

While Democrats talked of Fiona Hill’s pigtails as an eleven-year-old and raincoat metaphors, Republicans Conaway, Jordan, Nunes, Ratcliffe, Stefanik, Stewart, Turner, and Wenstrup drew out contradictions, hearsay, fuzzy memories, and mostly anemic “I suppose,” “I heard,” “I assumed,” and “I presumed,” rather than documents, tapes, and proofs from the witnesses.

Schiff had no White House tape of Trump channeling Richard Nixon’s obscenity-ridden machinations, a Ken Starr or a Leon Jaworski report, or Monica’s stained dress.

By Thursday night, a pale Schiff was reduced to mock outrage and lecturing a purportedly dense nation — on the admissibility of hearsay. When the last remarks of the chairman were to rail into the microphone, one knew he had lost control of his star chamber.

So, after that boondoggle, where do the Democrats go now? Remember, Adam Schiff hijacked the impeachment inquiry from its proper place in Gerald Nadler’s House Judiciary Committee. Speaker Pelosi’s apparent gamble was that the off-putting Schiff would be nonetheless more telegenic and charismatic than the buffoonish Nadler. The latter had disastrously introduced in person and at length an embarrassingly addled Robert Mueller. If Nadler now copies Schiff’s methods, the pro-impeachment polls will collapse altogether. Nadler is as duplicitous as Schiff but lacks the Californian’s cunning. We should expect Nadler to get the inquiry over as fast as possible on the theory that he will have higher negatives even than Schiff.

All this is the mere microlevel of impeachment.

At the macrolevel over the next six months, it is difficult to see how impeachment might become a winning Democratic strategy. The Democrats’ witness list is mostly shot; the Republicans’ is still full of new narratives: Who is the whistleblower, and what is his background? What were the geneses and nature of the whistleblower-Schiff connection, and the Vindman-whistleblower relationship? Who, probably illegally, leaked classified transcripts of multiple presidential conversations? What is the full story of Joe Biden’s interventions into Ukrainian jurisprudence, the role of Ukrainians in past U.S. electoral affairs, or the tenure of Hunter Biden in Ukraine? Would Hunter Biden be able to clear up misimpressions? Mitch McConnell is not likely to repay Nancy Pelosi’s strong-arm tactics by turning the other cheek.

We are already seeing a few embarrassing leaks from Michael Horowitz’s IG report about an FBI lawyer who is alleged to have criminally altered documents — apparently the same Peter Strzok subordinate Kevin Clinesmith who was kicked off the Mueller team for texting lots of anti-Trump antipathy, including “Viva le [sic] Resistance!” Some additional leaks may follow in the next two weeks. John Durham’s looming conclusions may at some point become a force multiplier of the IG’s findings. Impeachment, not Trump, may bleed out from a thousand cuts.

About 2 percent of the population watched the recent and latest Democratic debate. Anyone on Wednesday evening who was not comatose after ten hours of impeachment hearings was euthanized by the most boring of the mostly heretofore flat debates.

Usually senators are proverbial narcissistic media hogs who would welcome a televised impeachment trial in the Senate. But Warren, Sanders, Harris, Booker, Klobuchar, and Bennet will likely see such as trial as a lose-lose proposition, at least if impeachment is still negatively polling, and if the Republican senators are as sharp in repartee as their House Republican counterparts. If Adam Schiff were running for president, would last week’s televised performance have helped him? Would presidential candidate Joe Biden profit from being cross-examined in a Senate impeachment inquiry?

Fair or not, the word “impeachment” now conjures up two things: Donald Trump’s call to a newly elected Ukrainian president, and the fact that the incompetent son of leading Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden became rich by leveraging his dad’s name and office to gain favor and funding from corrupt Ukrainians.

When all the legalistic analytics are done with, impeachment boils down to a thought crime. The American people are now asked to abort a presidency on the basis of a supposed quid pro quo. That is, Trump temporarily delayed lethal military aid to a corrupt government, supposedly only on grounds that his legitimate suspicions about Ukrainian corruption also extended to the likely corruption of the Biden family — whose patriarch, though acting unethically in the past as vice president, is only targeted now because he is running against Trump for president.

To believe such an actionable high crime, the public will also be asked to believe that temporarily delaying lethal military aid to Ukraine is worse than never giving it at all; that Joe Biden’s current status as a presidential candidate exempts him from investigation into his unethical prior behavior as vice president; that a corrupt fixture like Hunter Biden was not used to extract U.S. aid; that quid pro quos are criminal, so past presidents like Barack Obama avoided them at all costs; that Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, Gerald Nadler, MSNBC, CNN, and the major media are now pursuing principled charges against Trump that have nothing to do with political agendas or past, failed efforts to remove Trump from office; that the whistleblower, Lt. Col. Vindman, Adam Schiff, and Adam Schiff’s staff will not be found to have worked in concert to orchestrate a new effort to remove Trump after the failed Mueller probe; and that Democratic congressional prosecutors will be more sober, judicious, and skilled in making the above charges than their Republican counterparts will be in refuting them.

Speaker Pelosi in theory has a redline “Stop!” number in her head — past which she would call off impeachment and settle for the humiliation (likely hers, not Trump’s) of “censure.” Perhaps that moment is reached when the national polls for impeachment and removal tank below 40 percent and Trump’s favorability rises to 47 or 48 percent. We are inching toward both.

Nonetheless Democrats remain in their own self-created box canyon: Going forward risks losing the House (and Pelosi’s speakership), ending the brief careers of 35 to 40 vulnerable first-term members in Trump districts, damaging the Democrats’ brand, and shorting Democrats’ presidential candidates. Tarring Trump with Ukraine might cripple the candidacy of Democratic front-runner and Ukraine-tarred Joe Biden.

Backing out is no more inviting, given all the past cable-news hysteria about a successful impeachment and a drama looming in the Senate. How to square the circle?

For now, there are only two possible ways ahead to abort Trump — other than a massive recession in 2020 or some war on the order of Iraq or Vietnam.

One is some new damning piece of anti-Trump evidence. But after Stormy, the 25th Amendment, the Logan Act, the emoluments clause, the Mueller nightmare, and a host of other psychodramas, there is almost nothing of Trump’s life before the White House or in it that the public does not know. He is immunized.

Democrats’ other resort is some marquee Republican witness who “flips,” perhaps the recently fired national-security adviser, John Bolton. In theory, Bolton could attest that Trump was crazy, criminally minded, incompetent, or dangerous — or all that and more.

But while a John Dean/Bolton witness would be temporarily canonized by the Left, he would also be seen as a vindictive ingrate (no conservative president other than Trump would have ever brought him back into the White House) — reduced to permanent Bill Kristol irrelevance. Skeptics would believe that getting fired is a reason to get even.

It is also hard to imagine what Bolton or witnesses like him might say. A Trump quid pro quo? Been there, done that. Trump is crass, crude, mercurial, and sloppy? Duh? Obstruction? Trump is guilty of the thought crime of dreaming about not giving the lethal aid that he in fact gave to Ukraine? Bribery? Trumped gets 2020 electoral help by thinking about demanding Ukrainian help in hurting Biden, in exchange for aid to Ukraine — in Hillary Clinton 2016 fashion, or in the way that Barack Obama in his 2012 reelection asked for “space” from Putin?

A sane House Speaker would impose “Censure!” on her confused ranks. But the idea of a spike-the-ball Trump shouting “Exoneration!” as he goes on the stump about Joe and Hunter Biden would be too much for 2020 progressives to stomach. So we will probably see the Holiday Impeachment script play out for the next few weeks (or months), thereby, in all likelihood, ensuring the reelection of Donald Trump. Only an Elizabeth Warren candidacy could conceivably be a greater gift to Trump than a Schiff-and-Nadler-engineered impeachment.

In the present unhinged climate, Trump could get both.
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Very good read.


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I stumbled upon this article this morning. It's probably the most unbiased read I've seen in a long time regarding anything political. It shows how the impeachment investigation has not really swayed support either way among people who support democrats or republicans. But at the same time shows how many democrat supporters are growing weary of their party's games.

https://www.ckom.com/2019/11/27/impe...ted-wisconsin/

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RACINE, Wis. (AP) - There's not a lot that Republicans and Democrats in this political battlefield agree on, but the impeachment probe into President Donald Trump may have surfaced one: The public hearings aren't moving the needle.

"Everything they say, it's so repetitive. To me, it's like they're beating their heads against the wall," said Harry Rose, a 78-year-old retired factory worker and Trump supporter in Racine County, a swing county in the swing state of Wisconsin.

Nicole Morrison, a 36-year-old nurse who can't see herself voting for Trump in 2020, had a similar review.

"There's so much information that sometimes it's hard to decide which is the truth and which is just rumors," she said. "So I just don't pay attention to it."

After 30 hours of televised hearings, a dozen witnesses, at least a couple of major revelations and scores of tweeted rebuttals, voters in Wisconsin and nationwide aren't changing their minds about removing the Republican president. If they came into the inquiry defensive of Trump, they likely still are. And if they were inclined to think the president abused his power, they didn't need televised hearings to prove it.

"For the most part, most Americans already have pretty solidified views of the president," said Josh Schwerin, senior strategist for the Democratic super PAC Priorities USA. "There's a small segment of the population that can be moved, and they're not paying as close attention to the day-to-day ins and outs of the impeachment hearings."

It's a disappointing - if not unexpected - response for Democrats, who had hoped to use the hearings to sway public opinion. Without that backing, it's virtually impossible to imagine Republican senators voting to convict Trump.

It's also a reaction that leaves the political impact of this dramatic chapter in American history remarkably uncertain. If the division on the question holds, and independents remain disengaged, it is possible that impeachment and Senate trial may ultimately play little role in Trump's reelection bid next year.

Two polls released this week showed the public remains roughly evenly divided over whether Trump should be impeached and removed from office. Although there was a one-time increase in support after the inquiry launched, polls have since remained stable.

A CNN survey conducted over the weekend showed 50% of Americans believe Trump should be impeached and removed from office, roughly the same as in late October and in late September. Meanwhile, Trump's job approval has remained steady. A Quinnipiac University survey of registered voters nationwide also conducted this past weekend found a similar split on whether Trump should be impeached and removed, and just 13% of those who have an opinion say they might change their mind.

In Wisconsin, views on impeachment appear to be slightly more negative. A Marquette University Law School poll of Wisconsin registered voters that was conducted during the first week of the impeachment hearings showed 47% of registered voters approve of the job Trump is doing, and more expressed opposition than support for impeachment and removal, 53% to 40%, figures largely unchanged from October.

The poll was conducted before U.S. Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland and former top aide Fiona Hill offered testimony that largely corroborated allegations that Trump tried to pressure a foreign government into investigating his political rival Joe Biden.

The entrenched divisions are clear even in Racine County, a place with a history of shifting political winds. The county voted for Democrat Barack Obama in 2008 and 2012, and then swung to support Trump in 2016.

The county, just south of Milwaukee, is divided between the Democratic-leaning electorate in and surrounding Racine, and the more conservative electorate in the rural and suburban areas. Most of the county's residents worked white-collar jobs in 2019, like administrative services and sales, and the median household income was just under $65,000, slightly above the state average.

If Democrats hope to win it back, they'll have to persuade voters like Jo-Ann Knutson to come back. The 70-year-old retiree lives in downtown Racine and voted for Trump in 2016 because she didn't like Democrat Hillary Clinton. She's been watching the impeachment hearings, but she's still not sure what to think.

Trump "is not my favorite person, and I don't care for how he talks about people, but I have not made a firm decision because I don't think all of the facts are out yet," she said.

Knutson remembered watching the impeachment proceedings for President Richard Nixon, when she said "you were sure" because there were taped recordings and other firsthand evidence of wrongdoing. Now, she thinks Democrats' case is based on overheard conversations - and she believes there's still a possibility Trump could be exonerated, she said.

Knutson said she has "no clue" who she'll vote for next year.

Morrison, the nurse, also says she's undecided, though she typically leans Democratic. Impeachment isn't swaying her, though, because she says she can't trust what she hears about the president anymore.

"I feel like we've been hearing since the second that he was elected president he needs to be impeached," she said. "So why waste my time to listen to it?"

Democrats will also have to reach some of their key constituencies that stayed home in 2016 - minorities and young voters. And there's some sign in Racine that the impeachment proceedings could have the opposite effect, if they further cement a sense of disillusionment with Washington.

Darius Nunn, the 40-year-old owner of Clarity Cutz, a barbershop that largely serves the city's black community, sometimes puts the news on the television in his shop, "but when it begins to get heated, we turn on some basketball."

On a recent day, the barbershop's TV showed a Chris Brown concert. Nunn said his clients are interested in what's going on in Washington but doubtful that Trump will experience any consequences for his actions - and he could see them staying home again next November.

"A lot of people (in 2016), they didn't have any faith in the voting system," he said. "To the urban community … the disenfranchised people, they don't believe in the system at all. There's justice for few when there should be justice for all."

Republicans, meanwhile, will need to maintain their coalition of white working-class voters and suburban moderates to hold onto a swing state like Wisconsin. That means persuading those voters to focus on the economy.

There are signs of success for Republicans on that front. Several Republicans across Racine County said that though they didn't like Trump's tone and were tired of the controversies, they were happy with the economy - and expected nothing less from the president to begin with.

"He's probably guilty of something. ... I thought he might run into problems because it's just the way he is," said Scott Davis, a 67-year-old landscaper from Sturtevant, a manufacturing town that's a key base for Republican votes in the county.

But Davis said his business has flourished, and he lauded Trump's handling of the economy. Controversies or not, Davis said he sees no reason not to support the president in 2020.

"In a lot of ways, (Trump's) not suited to be president, but he's done a lot of good for the country," Davis said. "I would probably vote for him again, just because of the economy."

David Titus, a 68-year-old retired banker from just outside Racine, said Trump "runs his mouth too much," but he's still satisfied with the president's performance.

"I like what he's done. I don't like the way he's doing it," he said.

Titus predicted, however, that the impeachment proceedings could backfire. He said he's heard from others who are fed up of the fighting and just want the president to be allowed to do his job.

"I think the longer it goes, the worse it gets for the Democrats," he said.

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I stumbled upon this article this morning. It's probably the most unbiased read I've seen in a long time regarding anything political. It shows how the impeachment investigation has not really swayed support either way among people who support democrats or republicans. But at the same time shows how many democrat supporters are growing weary of their party's games.

https://www.ckom.com/2019/11/27/impe...ted-wisconsin/
This doesn't sound non-biased to me:
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The poll was conducted before U.S. Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland and former top aide Fiona Hill offered testimony that largely corroborated allegations that Trump tried to pressure a foreign government into investigating his political rival Joe Biden.

In fact; not only is it biased, it's completely INCORRECT/WRONG/INACCURATE.
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I stumbled upon this article this morning. It's probably the most unbiased read I've seen in a long time regarding anything political. It shows how the impeachment investigation has not really swayed support either way among people who support democrats or republicans. But at the same time shows how many democrat supporters are growing weary of their party's games.

https://www.ckom.com/2019/11/27/impe...ted-wisconsin/
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Republicans, meanwhile, will need to maintain their coalition of white working-class voters and suburban moderates to hold onto a swing state like Wisconsin. That means persuading those voters to focus on the economy.

Why is skin color mentioned???

Hint: liberals are obsessed with skin color.
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It's amazing how one thing is said (during the inquiry) and the media reports exactly the opposite. I mean simply bold face lies....and then reach around patting themselves on the back.

If shtf, I hope the major news out talking heads are of major...interest.
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It's amazing how one thing is said (during the inquiry) and the media reports exactly the opposite. I mean simply bold face lies....and then reach around patting themselves on the back.

If shtf, I hope the major news out talking heads are of major...interest.
For three fuggin' years:
1) News taken completely out of context
2) News complete fabrication/lie.
3) News based on hearsay/2nd or 3rd-person info.


YET; Trump's poll numbers are as good or better than Obama's at this stage of their presidencies.
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wow some serious delusional folks here, i have voted repub way more tham dem but this POTUS has got to be the worse joke that has ever been in office.
He only cares about enriching himself and his family, he is desprectful of the office, his lack of any economic plan is evident his tarrifs are hurting more americans than anyone else. No manufacturing jobs are coming back any money saved goes into the corporate pockets, just like his tax cut.

And the economy has already started to dip because of his global tarrifs, but i bet you will blame the dems for that when its his fault. When your out of a job maybe you all can get hired at trump tower, oops the illegals have all those jobs.
Good luck

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wow some serious delusional folks here, i have voted repub way more tham dem but this POTUS has got to be the worse joke that has ever been in office.
He only cares about enriching himself and his family, he is desprectful of the office, his lack of any economic plan is evident his tarrifs are hurting more americans than anyone else. No manufacturing jobs are coming back any money saved goes into the corporate pockets, just like his tax cut.

And the economy has already started to dip because of his global tarrifs, but i bet you will blame the dems for that when its his fault. When your out of a job maybe you all can get hired at trump tower, oops the illegals have all those jobs.
Good luck
Well, if I have rose-colored glasses on, your vision must be completely obscured by George Soros' cock

Seriously, we're having a hard time hiring because the local labor market it so tight (because people have JOBS).

Now, that in mind, please tell me how Cheeto Jesus pulling us out of Obama's domestic manufacturing nose-dive isn't working?
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wow some serious delusional folks here, i have voted repub way more tham dem but this POTUS has got to be the worse joke that has ever been in office.
He only cares about enriching himself and his family, he is desprectful of the office, his lack of any economic plan is evident his tarrifs are hurting more americans than anyone else. No manufacturing jobs are coming back any money saved goes into the corporate pockets, just like his tax cut.

And the economy has already started to dip because of his global tarrifs, but i bet you will blame the dems for that when its his fault. When your out of a job maybe you all can get hired at trump tower, oops the illegals have all those jobs.
Good luck

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