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Old 11-22-2019, 09:49 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Sadly, the second will be removed due to way to many people misusing the original wording and intent.

Well regulated.
Means you know, understand guns, are proficient in its use and you have received professional (albeit private) training.

I feel this is the original intent. Then, if needed, you have a bunch of rational people, trained in the proper use of guns, to form a militia when needed.



Like Marxism or other socialism, it never works when there are mouthbreathing, impulsive idiots with guns waving them out of doors / cars and acting like the alt-right retards they are...


Again, it's going down because of missing education. I mean the people "in power" are missing that education. Guns = Bad!
you know that most of the mass shooters have had left leaning politics right?

alt right people use cars.


and all of this should be a moot point because the supreme court has already affirmed that the 2nd is an individual right.
sadly that still left it open to some assholes to dance around what firearms you could have.

when every gun control law is an infringement.
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Old 11-22-2019, 09:58 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Sadly, the second will be removed due to way to many people misusing the original wording and intent. . . .
"The right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED."

I'm not seeing a whole lot of room for interpretation.
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Old 11-22-2019, 10:04 AM   #28 (permalink)
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"The right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED."

I'm not seeing a whole lot of room for interpretation.
What is the definition of arms?

Take away every single arm but one and that right still hasnít been infringed.
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What is the definition of arms?

Take away every single arm but one and that right still hasn’t been infringed.
That's the beauty of the way it was penned... The founding fathers specifically used a plural tense of the word arms for a reason. They knew things were advancing and evolving.

They also had a disdain for Governments overpowering the people. This is not a disputed fact.

ARMS means any style or type of arms that would prohibit tyranny. Whatever was available to the government presiding over the people.

OR, if you like... the straight up definition works also:

1. A weapon, especially a firearm: troops bearing arms; ICBMs, bombs, and other nuclear arms.
2. A branch of a military force: infantry, armor, and other combat arms.
3. arms
a. Warfare: a call to arms against the invaders.
b. Military service: several million volunteers under arms; the profession of arms.
4. arms
a. Heraldry Bearings.
b. Insignia, as of a state, an official, a family, or an organization.
v. armed, arm∑ing, arms
v.intr.
1. To supply or equip oneself with weaponry.
2. To prepare oneself for warfare or conflict.
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2. To equip with what is needed for effective action: tax advisers who were armed with the latest forms.
3. To provide with something that strengthens or protects: a space reentry vehicle that was armed with a ceramic shield.
4. To prepare (a weapon or electronic system, such as an alarm) for use or operation, as by releasing a safety device.
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Glad you guys are doing something. Sad that the system is broken in a way that makes this the solution.
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Old 11-22-2019, 10:25 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Here's the shit part, the super majority at the state level may pass legislation to outlaw and make Sanctuary 2A counties illegal.
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sanctuary city in terms of citizenship means the locality will not only not share information with the feds, but will actively seek and support opposition to their efforts.

that means no NFA as far as i'm concerned and pre 20th century type regulations
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Old 11-22-2019, 11:26 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Here's the shit part, the super majority at the state level may pass legislation to outlaw and make Sanctuary 2A counties illegal.
Which they can then challange in court. You can have sanctuary cities for illegals, but not 2a for citizens? Cant have it both ways. Illinois was gonna pass a similar law they withdrew it because the Republicans threatened that either way they win. It'll end up no sanctuary for anyone or sanctuary for everyone.

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Old 11-22-2019, 11:55 AM   #34 (permalink)
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Hope to meet with one of the board of supervisors tomorrow to see where our county stands. No matter what the "legal" standing of a sanctuary status is, it is good to see people be proactive rather than reactive. Hopefully this sends a strong message to the governor.
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well good, hope it spreads all over.
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I hope the guard arms the citizens with appropriate munitions and equipment like the government arms the Peshmerga.

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This is why your tribal name is "small arrow".

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

A well regulated militia (An orderly and well trained militia) COMMA.

being necessary to the security of a free State (to protect itself from government or other entities) COMMA

the right of the people to keep and bear Arms (The people, not militia or States. The framers would make a distinction between either... the people means precisely that) COMMA

shall not be infringed (Ya can't legislate this away, DO NOT FAWK WITH THIS RIGHT) PERIOD.
You need a small arrow to pierce the heart.


I'm all for the second, don't get me wrong. Just been trying to figure out some solution.
But there is none. There are people that will be shot.
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Thats not why its going down. Its going down because people in power cant take your freedom, property, and money away as they see fit, unless the populace is disarmed.

They dont care what the constitution says. they want disarmament so they can get on with the russian style cleansing of this country.

But they take that from who "they can" anyhow, not by force...
... It's just part of capitalism.
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You need a small arrow to pierce the heart.


I'm all for the second, don't get me wrong. Just been trying to figure out some solution.
But there is none. There are people that will be shot.
Man always has and will continue to kill man. The only way to stop that is to kill all man kind.

I'd venture to say over the complete history of man, more blood and death has come from a sword or spear than anything else.
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There are a blaze of counties all throughout VA that are passing resolution to be a 2A sanctuary. Dems want sanctuary for non citizens, well we want sanctuary for our rights. Near 70% of counties are voting on becoming 2A Sanctuaries

Unfortunately my county is not on the list of sanctuary yet
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I'm all for the second, don't get me wrong. Just been trying to figure out some solution.
But there is none. There are people that will be shot.
solution to what, exactly?
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"Well trained" would match your explanation of definition. Well regulated would fall under a command of some sort. Well regulated militia can mean so many things like a militia (or group/populous of people/citizens of the country) who conduct themselves within set guidelines (aka lawful).


All depends on what foot you stand on when you try to manipulate the wording for a specific slant.
What I take from this, from the founders, is that it protected THE PEOPLE to act as a standing army and to arm themselves as necessary to fight tyranny. The founders never intended for the fed to have so many militants at it's disposal, doing the fed bidding.
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This is why your tribal name is "small arrow".

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

A well regulated militia (An orderly and well trained militia) COMMA.

being necessary to the security of a free State (to protect itself from government or other entities) COMMA

the right of the people to keep and bear Arms (The people, not militia or States. The framers would make a distinction between either... the people means precisely that) COMMA

shall not be infringed (Ya can't legislate this away, DO NOT FAWK WITH THIS RIGHT) PERIOD.
And to add, according to the authors of the 2nd Amendment, the militia is the whole of the people.
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What I take from this, from the founders, is that it protected THE PEOPLE to act as a standing army and to arm themselves as necessary to fight tyranny. The founders never intended for the fed to have so many militants at it's disposal, doing the fed bidding.
Which then begs the question of what the federal government should be doing at all. Defense - armed forces - for sure. What else? (Honest question.)
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Splitting states into multiple states is a very long and complicated process. I'm not saying it wont happen but it'll be as confusing and drawn out as Brexit.
VA Already has experience in that Dept. See WV.
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Which then begs the question of what the federal government should be doing at all. Defense - armed forces - for sure. What else? (Honest question.)
Yeah...this is where it's sketchy. Remember, the founders spoke out against getting into treaties and other such things with foreign governments. Although they had a good grasp of the future, I don't think they could've foreseen how the world has developed a relationship and how much our economies and problems would affect each and every country as a whole.

But, with all that said, the sole purpose of the second is to allow THE PEOPLE the right and the ability to fight tyranny should the need ever arise again.

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The local Sheriff, small town cops will probably follow the wishes of the locals, as they are locals themselves and everyone knows where they live, if you get my hint.
The trouble will come from the the State police, Highway Patrol, with help from Fed agencies. That is what you have to be aware of.

I like how Needles California declared itself a 2ND Amendment sanctuary zone that encompasses a 60 miles zone. It did help their economy too. The problem being, the CHP will still bust your ass though.
Mohave co AZ is going to declare sanctuary county ..even though AZ is constitutional carry....just because of the way things are going at the federal level
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About half of Colorado's 64 counties (including the one I live in) have declared they are 2A sanctuary counties.
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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Here's how I read it:

A group of organized folks who are willing to fight (which is important to defend freedom) and the right of the common folks to own and use guns shall not be infringed.

It's written as two things that shouldn't be infringed on, with a brief explanation as to why.
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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Here's how I read it:

A group of organized folks who are willing to fight (which is important to defend freedom) and the right of the common folks to own and use guns shall not be infringed.

It's written as two things that shouldn't be infringed on, with a brief explanation as to why.
Do that and see how long it takes before you get called a terrorist group.
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