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Old 01-18-2020, 08:57 AM   #476 (permalink)
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Fbi and ATF are monitoring pretty much everything. Don't ever think they aren't.
And I'm sure they realize all the "keyboard commandos" spewing here won't do shit, so they'll ignore them.
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And I'm sure they realize all the "keyboard commandos" spewing here won't do shit, so they'll ignore them.
Not quite ignore it. They are already capturing neo-nazi's from online posts. "It's not known yet if they were headed to Richmond or not." Three from Maryland and a couple out of Georgia that I've seen so far. Have to justify the Governor's EO banning guns where they've always been allowed.

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That's nothing new. Hell, that's been going on for the better part of a hundred years by both parties.

If Virginians are just figuring THAT out, they are way behind.
I hate to break it to you, but most people accept the system as is and actually like it, until the other side controls it, then they get mad, but then they usually get it back and do the same shit.

rinse and repeat.
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Well, he's done his share of that too
You could’ve always had Clinton ya whiner.
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Not quite ignore it. They are already capturing neo-nazi's from online posts. "It's not known yet if they were headed to Richmond or not." Three from Maryland and a couple out of Georgia that I've seen so far. Have to justify the Governor's EO banning guns where they've always been allowed.
I quoted all the posts. My response that you quoted was NOT about posts internet wide, it was strictly about what's posted here, as that's what Elwenil was referring to and why I said "here".
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You could’ve always had Clinton ya whiner.
it's weird that republicans only care about the constitution when they are out of power.

dem's don't care about it ever.

so, if we vote for a D for the big office, then we can get at or nearly half of congress to care about the constitution.

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it's weird that republicans only care about the constitution when they are out of power.

dem's don't care about it ever.

so, if we vote for a D for the big office, then we can get at or nearly half of congress to care about the constitution.

good point.

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IMO neither the Ds or Rs give a flying fuck about COTUS, they just lie and say they do. Both parties want to fuck you out of your rights. It's just which rights they don't like you to have.
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IMO neither the Ds or Rs give a flying fuck about COTUS, they just lie and say they do. Both parties want to fuck you out of your rights. It's just which rights they don't like you to have.
yeah but the D's in power and out of power don't give a fuck about the constitution.

at least the R's out of power try to claim they do.


so, in defense of the "you could have had a Clinton", just remember that Trump was able to turn a piece of plastic into a machine gun, while we still await his ruling on silencers, and despite manufacturing crimes to stoke fears, Obama couldn't get nearly as much done as he hoped. he could only target small groups (and he did)
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IMO neither the Ds or Rs give a flying fuck about COTUS, they just lie and say they do. Both parties want to fuck you out of your rights. It's just which rights they don't like you to have.
Do you and some others here think the politicans actually plan the fucking or does it just comes out that way? I mean bitching about politics go back thousands of years...Maybe, just maybe, it is what it is...
And the Constitution, as much as we all want it to be the priority...Perhaps it has lost something as the country grew from 10 million to 340 million ?
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IMO neither the Ds or Rs give a flying fuck about COTUS, they just lie and say they do. Both parties want to fuck you out of your rights. It's just which rights they don't like you to have.
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Do you and some others here think the politicans actually plan the fucking or does it just comes out that way? I mean bitching about politics go back thousands of years...Maybe, just maybe, it is what it is...
And the Constitution, as much as we all want it to be the priority...Perhaps it has lost something as the country grew from 10 million to 340 million ?
government can only do one thing.

restrict.

that's it's single function inside the borders of this country . To restrict the actions of citizens.

so it's not any wonder that it always comes out like that. The issue is that most people cheer or boo depending on who is doing the restricting at the time, while ignoring the fact that they're still being restricted themselves.
or because they are unaffected they simply don't care.
or in some cases, because they are using the government as a tool for oppression.

whatever the motives, the outcome is always the same, more restrictions.

the constitutuion was intended to be a restriction on the government put in place by the people that it consisted of, but somewhere along the way we have apparently lost sight of that.

Is it because people are dumb? yes.
Is it because some people are evil? yes.
Is it because humans are petty and tribal? yes.

all things that were foreseen, all things that had we been following the document to it's letter and not to it's "intent" wouldn't have been a problem, because the federal government would have never been powerful enough to rule the entire country from DC.

but at this stage of the game it's all fucked.
so let's just all chill the fuck out and enjoy the show.
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this is also a state going against their own constitution.

the general idea that the federal government should have just enough influence so as to be able to prevent the states from subjecting their people to things abhorrent to the liberty of the individual.

will the federal government step up? well congress has long proven that they won't. even when they make an attempt, the president does not enforce it. the federal court system often fails and the supreme court refuses many of the things.
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I hate to break it to you, but most people accept the system as is and actually like it, until the other side controls it, then they get mad, but then they usually get it back and do the same shit.

rinse and repeat.
Call it misguided faith that some people will see shit for what it is.

THIS is the time to take a stand. Counties have drawn a line, whether they know it or not, by claiming themselves sanctuaries.

If they fold, we are a nation of pussies not worth saving.

Either way it goes, gun owners will be demonized by the media, so they arent worth worrying about.

So that just leaves violence as the only thing to worry about. Ideally none is exhibited. If it is, you HAVE to make the state the first to resort to violence, or your movement is dead from the start.

And it has to be in such a way that the people attacked by the state are not portrayed as just a few crazies.

This could be a turning point in U.S. history. But it seems the same old stupid fucking tactics are being used. Chest puffing and other bullshit.

The leadership in virginia has made it QUITE clear they have no intention of listening to responsible gun owners. Rather than creating a platform to listen to their constituents, they have stripped them of rights and barricaded the capital.

If there isnt a clearer sign of tyranny and a reason to push your county to make due on their promises to be a sanctuary and leave a state controlled by a tyrannical government, then I question if Virginians even value their rights.
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Kinda crazy but I listen to the news a solid 4 hours a day and if I wasnt on pirate I would have no idea this was going on.
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Call it misguided faith that some people will see shit for what it is.

THIS is the time to take a stand. Counties have drawn a line, whether they know it or not, by claiming themselves sanctuaries.

If they fold, we are a nation of pussies not worth saving.

Either way it goes, gun owners will be demonized by the media, so they arent worth worrying about.

So that just leaves violence as the only thing to worry about. Ideally none is exhibited. If it is, you HAVE to make the state the first to resort to violence, or your movement is dead from the start.

And it has to be in such a way that the people attacked by the state are not portrayed as just a few crazies.

This could be a turning point in U.S. history. But it seems the same old stupid fucking tactics are being used. Chest puffing and other bullshit.

The leadership in virginia has made it QUITE clear they have no intention of listening to responsible gun owners. Rather than creating a platform to listen to their constituents, they have stripped them of rights and barricaded the capital.

If there isnt a clearer sign of tyranny and a reason to push your county to make due on their promises to be a sanctuary and leave a state controlled by a tyrannical government, then I question if Virginians even value their rights.
It's either going to be done in the courts and legislation or it's going to be a bloodbath. A few nuts here and there won't mean shit. Yeah, there are a lot of people mad and a lot of people "drawing lines" but it doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things because it's 30 over there, 15 over here, another 60 over there and I heard there were 100 out that way, etc. To make an actual fight that would establish a true line and make everyone drop what they are doing and pay attention it will take tens of thousands. The few hundred here and there protesting for the 2nd, a couple hundred more protesting for "rights" and a few hundred more protesting just because they want to take on the US Government and "the Feds" will not mean shit and will not get shit accomplished. It will take an organized group of 25k or more, all ready to give up their jobs, their families, their homes and actually do war on the State of Virginia, and in turn the US Government. Do you know tens of thousands willing to do that? Are you ready to throw away everything you have worked for and most likely give up your life for this? If not, then don't bitch when no one else does either. Unless there is some catalyst, some happening that would cement everyone together and everyone fall in line behind the same cause and the same leaders, then this is all just chest puffing and bullshit, but it's about all anyone can reasonably expect at this point.
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Kinda crazy but I listen to the news a solid 4 hours a day and if I wasnt on pirate I would have no idea this was going on.
It just made the local news here today, they made it sound like the 3 dudes started everything and the government had the situation in hand.
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I hate to break it to you, but most people accept the system as is and actually like it, until the other side controls it, then they get mad, but then they usually get it back and do the same shit.

rinse and repeat.
Which of the bill of rights do the Rs try to take from the Ds when they have power?
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Which of the bill of rights do the Rs try to take from the Ds when they have power?

the war on drugs
the patriot act
civil asset forfeiture

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the war on drugs
the patriot act
civil asset forfeiture

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Republicans like to grow government as much as the dems. They just do it slightly differently.
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the war on drugs
the patriot act
civil asset forfeiture

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Republicans like to grow government as much as the dems. They just do it slightly differently.
Dont forget the ever expanding war machine and nation building/regime change.
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Do you and some others here think the politicans actually plan the fucking or does it just comes out that way? I mean bitching about politics go back thousands of years...Maybe, just maybe, it is what it is...
And the Constitution, as much as we all want it to be the priority...Perhaps it has lost something as the country grew from 10 million to 340 million ?
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Either way it goes, gun owners will be demonized by the media, so they arent worth worrying about.

So that just leaves violence as the only thing to worry about. Ideally none is exhibited. If it is, you HAVE to make the state the first to resort to violence, or your movement is dead from the start.

And it has to be in such a way that the people attacked by the state are not portrayed as just a few crazies.
The media is an arm of the DNC. Doesn’t matter who starts the violence, it will be reported as the gun owners. Just look at the media in D.C. with Nick Sandmann—if it hadn’t been such a public place with thousands of people with cell phone cameras, Sandmann would still be in hiding due to the death threats.

The violence will all start (May already have started with the supposed machine gun toting dudes that were arrested) somewhere that the State and media will be able to control the message (Ruby Ridge ring a bell?). Gun owners will continue to be vilified and painted as lawless maniacs and the liberal sheep will scream even more loudly that guns must be taken away to keep them safe.
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Call it misguided faith that some people will see shit for what it is.

THIS is the time to take a stand. Counties have drawn a line, whether they know it or not, by claiming themselves sanctuaries.

If they fold, we are a nation of pussies not worth saving.

Either way it goes, gun owners will be demonized by the media, so they arent worth worrying about.

So that just leaves violence as the only thing to worry about. Ideally none is exhibited. If it is, you HAVE to make the state the first to resort to violence, or your movement is dead from the start.

And it has to be in such a way that the people attacked by the state are not portrayed as just a few crazies.

This could be a turning point in U.S. history. But it seems the same old stupid fucking tactics are being used. Chest puffing and other bullshit.

The leadership in virginia has made it QUITE clear they have no intention of listening to responsible gun owners. Rather than creating a platform to listen to their constituents, they have stripped them of rights and barricaded the capital.

If there isnt a clearer sign of tyranny and a reason to push your county to make due on their promises to be a sanctuary and leave a state controlled by a tyrannical government, then I question if Virginians even value their rights.
When I read things like this, all I am reminded of if Stonewall Jackson's speech about how he love the union, but loves Virginia more, and how he won't tolerate invaders to their homefronts and firesides, and how this means war.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnNWtDRrHrQ

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