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Old 01-15-2020, 05:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Must-Haves for new house & shop (realistic)

I am in the planning stages for a new house and a new shop, hoping to start this spring/summer. It'a in a rural area, on 5 acres, about 2000 ft elevation. I have built two houses before, some stuff I do myself (framing, flooring, trim, finish), and some I have subcontracted (Plumbing, wiring, insulation, sheetrock) the house will be a 3 bed/2 bath, about 2100 sq ft ? open floor plan, a big rectangle with covered porches down both long sides.

The shop will hopefully be big. ( I know, never big enough!) and will have 3 separate rooms, one for a shop, one for storing misc., and one for storing cars. All garage doors will face north (our prevailing winds are 99% from the east or west) The Shop room will be insulated, the other two will not.

Without getting too crazy on expensive dream stuff I can't afford, what are realistic, budget minded things I need to include in the house or shop that I haven't thought of ?
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Old 01-15-2020, 05:56 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Pantry as close as possible to the garage entrance. Washer and drier on same floor as bedrooms.
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good lights, good floor, at least 1 lift, 14' door(s)
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Old 01-15-2020, 06:01 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Undermount sinks, make cleaning the counters way easier
Prewire for solar if there is good potential
Sound deadening insulation in interior walls
Whole home audio if you are into that
couple Cat 6 to every room
220 outlets in garage, not just the shop
outside vented hood over the stove

thicker areas of concrete for a vehicle lift in the future
water to the shop
beer fridge in the shop
lots of outlets and lights in the shop

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Tie down points in the concrete floor at the ends of the bays and corners of the room so you can pull vehicles or machines around with a come-along. Super cheap as long as you remember to do it while the concrete is wet.
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In slab heat and wood stove/ fireplace. No hvac.
Chugio style for AC ( think hotel AC/heat box, just slimmer/ smaller)ceiling fans every room, multiple ceiling fans in all open areas.
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LED lights. You can save $$$ by doing minimum for storage areas and going full retard over the work area.

Hose reels and extension cord reels. Get decent stuff. Lots of outlets are nice, but cord reels are way more nicerer.

Outlets around the front of each vehicle parking area. It's nice being able to keep something on a battery tender and not have to trip over an extension cord.

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Insulate, insulate, insulate. Can't have enough insulation in a shop.

OSB walls wherever possible. Painted white (or some light color). Just painting the osb in my shop tripled the perceived light in there. Ceiling especially (if applicable).
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More plugs than you think you will need in the home and shop.

Agree with a 220 service in your garage.

A few 220 plugs in your shop if you will be moving a welder around.

Some type of car lift in the shop if your budget allows.


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Outlets every 5or so ft high off the ground
Led lights
Exhaust fans
Light switches by every entrance
Air lines ran everywhere
Separate insulated spot for the air compressor with remote drain
Make sure the floor can support a 2post lift

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Exhaust fans in laundry room and all bathrooms on timers
Vented range fan
Light switches at every room entrance
Outside plugs everywhere,ground level and in the eves,wire the eves to a timer
Tie all outdoor lights to a timer or photo cell
Insulation in the interior walls
Brace all ceiling light boxes so you can install fans/chandeliers later
Deep closets so the doors dont fuck with your cloths while you try to shut them
Drain pan that goes to a drain for the washer and water heater
Wire your surround speakers and sub in the wall
20amp feeds to ea kitchen plug
Plumb the stove for 120, 240 and gas
Plumb water for the fridge
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Run air lines to your house, my grandpa did this, air hose in the 2 car garage, air lines in his basement workshop, airlines in the barn, and one big ass compressor in the shop

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I'd really like to have RV hookups at the shop, and place the shop a little farther from the house than some may think reasonable, then in a few years, build the same setup somewhere warm. Retire, rent both houses, but not the shops, split toys and tools between them, and snowbird.

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Sewer drain in the shop floor. Always nice for cleaning floors or cars or just water from wet cars being pulled in.
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14’ doors and insulate the entire shop.
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Ethernet to the shop and garage.

Security cameras

Many times I wished I had an air outlet in the house for home improvement projects. Beats dragging a hose through a window.

A hard wired and plumbed electric pressure washer by the bay doors is something I want to do.

Motion activated light by shop man door.
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Schluter linear drain for your master shower and bath floor heat!!!!!! But only if you have a tile setter you trust, knows wtf he’s doing!!!!!


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Run air lines to your house, my grandpa did this, air hose in the 2 car garage, air lines in his basement workshop, airlines in the barn, and one big ass compressor in the shop

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I'd really like to have RV hookups at the shop, and place the shop a little farther from the house than some may think reasonable, then in a few years, build the same setup somewhere warm. Retire, rent both houses, but not the shops, split toys and tools between them, and snowbird.
When you run air lines in the house, be sure if you are using spray foam that you don't run poly air hose. When the foam cures it reacts and will melt it. I had one run to the kitchen and it burst. Scared the spray foam guys pretty good and blew it all over.
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Old 01-15-2020, 08:33 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Lots of good stuff here, thanks guys and keep it coming !

I have a pretty nice shop right now: 10,000 lb 2 post lift, 6 220v circuits, insulated (but no good heat source.....which sucks !) lots of LED lights, a couple high south facing windows, plywood on some walls, (next shop I would like to do all of it) I sunk a piece of 2" ID square receiver tube vertically in the concrete at the end of both big shop bays so I can always drop a hitch in it to winch or come-along off of, any pipe would have worked, but it's always easy to find a hitch stinger !

I want to do a heat source or two in the new shop, a wood stove for one, and has anyone here ever put a heat pump in a shop ?

I have been thinking about running underground air to the house, garage, and garden shed from the shop compressor. maybe also both porches ?

I am also thinking about running a couple 2" or 3" conduits under the floor before I pour it, from a wall to a drive-over box (like for a water meter) in the middle of one of the bays in the shop, and run an extension cord through one of them and hook the dust collector wood working vacuum system to the other, so I can pull the table saw, band saw, or router table (all on wheels) out in the middle of the bay, and not have to trip over a cord or vac. hose.

In my current house I put a second washer & drier in the master bathroom and I love it. I'm actually really surprised more people don't do the same. We have teenage daughters, and they use the laundry room set, we use the master set. It blows my mind that people put in 200 sq ft fucking showers and look at me weird for my master Laundry !

Also going to put a big sink in the new shop for sure, and a Jib crane.
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As for shops
If I was building from scratch I might do heat in the floor.
Maybe by circulating hot water from a wood stove.
And for sure I’d put a pair of I beams in the slab so I could weld things down .... seeings how I build cars and steel fab a lot.

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Iv always wanted one with a porch all the way around with an indoor style fireplace outside.
And don’t know what they’re called ........ big post and beam style roof section car port / park area thing on the side built off the house ... like off the kitchen side door.
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I would think about a concrete storage room along the back of the garage for storage. Then, it could be a shooting range after it is built.
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In slab heat and wood stove/ fireplace. No hvac.
This times a million, home and shop. After staying in a place with radiant floor heat, it's the way to go. No cold spots, and no cold feet.

Ideally, I'd have a wood burning furnace in the shop that has provisions to heat the normal water for showers and the fluid for the floor heat. As a back up for those days when you get home after being gone all weekend or whatever, I'd still have gas or electric available to heat both the water and fluid.
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Ethernet to building eves for security cams. Power by the fireplace to run insert fan.

I would like laundry room type area to have almost a shower type area, could wash dog, hang wet jackets, or some clothes we wash are better to hang dry. This place would let drips be contained.
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