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Old 06-16-2015, 04:37 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Scout II, family wheeler.

Goals for this are to keep it VA road "legal", use it for weekend camping/wheeling. I sold my single cab yota this spring and I have a bad itch to get out on the rocks so the dana 44s didn't last long. I've had it about 6 months and it's been on the road a month, front axle needed a rebuild anyways so why not throw some one tons under it.
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As she sits now, worn out 37s, trying to keep it low, shackle reversal, Wagoneer springs. It seems like these factory dodge spring perches are tall.





Pitman arm is the stocker, I need a shorter/flatter arm to alleviate lead spring interference. Suggestions?

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Old 06-16-2015, 04:41 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I will have to get the pics working later. I am having trouble.
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Old 06-16-2015, 10:36 AM   #3 (permalink)
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awesome, this is my exact plan for my scout. love it
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Old 06-16-2015, 02:41 PM   #4 (permalink)
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awesome, this is my exact plan for my scout. love it
Should work well I hope. The rear will just be SPOA with stock springs for now, hope to start on that one night this week.
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Old 06-16-2015, 07:25 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I think it will work well. I'm keeping the front spring forward and making bastard packs front and rear. I wish i could go D60 in the front, but ended up with a fully built d44 and a 10.25 sterling for the rear.
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Old 06-18-2015, 10:33 AM   #6 (permalink)
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High steer arms

Starting to get a little frustrated, bought a RH NWF high steer arm on eBay 3/26, the DLE was reamed too deep. I sent him a message via ebay on Monday, he had a new one on my doorstep yesterday, awesome....now I realized that it's the exact same way The TRE is reamed correctly so I know I'm not crazy.





Found the problem.


On the bright side I found a pitman arm that works, 1993 dodge 3500, it's 5" C to C, a little short but it gets the steering lock to lock, barely.
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Old 06-18-2015, 12:16 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I guess I'm too quick to blame, I have done multiple one ton steering setups for other people and somehow never realized the TRE taper is Smaller than DLE. Feeling like an idiot, Canada I take it back.
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Old 06-18-2015, 06:47 PM   #8 (permalink)
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You should double sheer the pitman arm and run a heim. That would raise it what looks like about an inch, but then it may be pretty close to your frame.
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Old 06-19-2015, 04:47 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Thanks for the advice! Going to try to run TREs, I'll see what happens. If I'm still having issues with clearance on the dodge pitman arm that will be the next step.
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you sure you have big taper tre's?
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Old 06-19-2015, 03:41 PM   #11 (permalink)
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....or you could just link it and not worry lol
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Old 06-21-2015, 06:07 AM   #12 (permalink)
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TRE

I bought the correct es2027, es2026 DLEs, good to go now. Links won't be necessary on this truck.
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Old 06-21-2015, 06:14 AM   #13 (permalink)
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SPOA rear

The rear 60 is in the truck now, stock scout leafs, slightly longer shackles that were on the truck when I got it, the only issue I'm having is the rear sits about 3" too tall. pics to come.
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Old 06-22-2015, 10:05 PM   #14 (permalink)
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FSJ pitman arm, or I think I used one from a '73 Buick Century wagon we had.. that'll raise the draglink up out of the spring.

Then you can either slice the end off your TRE/DLE so that you're stuck just hitting it with Red Loctite and hoping it stays put... or you wind up notching the frame.

Both of which I did.

On my current Scout... I bump stopped it.
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Old 07-03-2015, 12:13 AM   #15 (permalink)
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keep the pics coming. whats the bs on those wheels? is the rear also sprungover?
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Old 07-03-2015, 03:37 AM   #16 (permalink)
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They are factory dodge wheels, fit is very close to the factory Tie Rod mount on the knuckle, I never measured the wheels. I like how they fit, I don't want it to be super wide. The rear is spring over, stock springs and 2" longer shackles, it sits about 3" too tall. Thinking about SPUA with 4" spring that I have will put it at the right height, but would prefer some 2.5" wide spring spring over, just think it's going to be too tall with most springs.



Haven't had time to work on it lately, hopefully I'll get it fixed shortly, then onto the cage.
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Old 07-03-2015, 04:26 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Id load it down with whatever gear you will have in there plus the weight of the cage and see if you still think its too tall in the rear
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Old 07-03-2015, 09:29 AM   #18 (permalink)
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As far as the pitman arm clearance is there a reason you went with such a short RS mount? The typical mount on the market is around 4.5" from the frame to bolt center which keeps the spring fairly level (assuming a through the frame rear mount) and gives plenty of pitman arm clearance.
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^^Agreed.
How is your caster? When I did my axle swap/reverse shackle/SOA I started off with a similar front hanger, and my caster was way too much +14 and pinion angle was pointed at the ground. I tried a degree shim, but the spring hit the tie rod. Rather than do a cut and turn to fix caster and pinion angle, I reworked the front hanger (dropped total of 6" from bottom of frame to eye bolt) and fixed my caster, pinion angle, and plenty of clearance on the pitman arm & drag link.

First hanger was too short:
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When I first swapped in the 10 bolt, I had mounted the front of the springs just under the bumper, as I didn't want big fangs sticking down and killing my approach angle. Unfortunately, that gave me about 14* positive caster (top of knuckle tilted back) which wasn't a big deal when it was sitting on jack stands

I ordered 7* STEEL caster shims from DIY4X but when I finally got around to putting the shims in... springs hit the tie rod I tried taking out the overload, nope. Still hit.

So I ended up cutting off the spring hangers and making new ones. I used some extra 3/8" shackles from Ruff Stuff, 3"x.250 square tubing, and some 3/16" flat stock. I dropped the front mounting holes down about another 3.5" which gave me a MUCH better caster angle and leveled out my springs. Added a 3" channel to tie the front hangers together, meet HI bumper height law, and made the front fangs blend in mo' bettah.

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I went with a short mount with keeping it low as the main goal, and did plan on having some steering clearance issues. The steering box brace has to be re-worked as well. The steering clears now with the dodge pitman arm, it has around 3" of uptravel, it will get some good bump stops and should work well.
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I plan to use stock height shackles outback with some 2002 lightning leaf springs sprungover. I think that should help out my scout stay as low as possible. also the ford leafs have a offset center pin to gain some wheelbase.
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Old 07-27-2015, 05:56 PM   #22 (permalink)
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It's been a while but I got around to lowering the rear, cutting out front fenders, and I'm back to driving it fairly regular. Rides good, drives better than stock. Caster is right at 9* which I like.
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Simple SUA and shock mount:


The stock springs will eventually get replaced, just need to find a good replacement. Also need a u bolt flip.

Went to the PA Heep show and a Line Mountain race a week ago, found a Grand Wagoneer pitman arm for $10, it fits like a dream.

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Stance looks good. I also used a Wagoneer pitman arm...sorry I thought I mentioned that in my other post.
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Old 07-28-2015, 04:02 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I like the stance too, sits a little lower in the rear, but I like it much better than before. Got some tail pipes made today so that it's no longer a gas chamber when the top is on. Also picked up a Solid diff cover to replace the rusted out rear cover. Going to cut fenders tomorrow and build a square front driveshaft.
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Seems like you have the pitman dealt with, but there is a thread in Gen4x4 on pitman arm length / drop.

Feel free to peruse it, and add your experiences.

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