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Old 07-03-2005, 07:50 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Hey, I don't have anything to do with this

But since we are on the subject, I wonder how long it took Manderra to get his 304...and, didn't he have a 392 built also? Who else has had engines built by them and were they late?
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7/05/05 update:

Left a couple of messages this morning, asked that the call be returned ASAP, no call so far by 6:10PM.
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Old 07-05-2005, 07:19 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Will this pretty much blows
I ordered a part 17 of May, by a IH vendor, with a quoated 2-3 week time table. Not a problem, I was doing my part by supporting an IH vendor, which supports the BB and IH-digest.
After several e-mails of inquiry, and working on 7 weeks. Last week I asked for delivery of July 5th or refund. With no response, until today, we'll "rush" it. What the F does that mean, next week, next month? Its too LATE
But thats not the main issue, I was told a date thinking I would be able to finally get my vehicle running, and make it to the RMIR for the first time. With only having July 5-6 off before going back to work for a week, there is no way I can get it done, and work out all the bugs.
How do you compensate for being pissed off.
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While it is a little late to solve your problem--next time you are looking to rebuild an IH motor and you do not have an IH "specialist" nearby, check with the rebutable local macine shops who have been in business for at least 25 years. Most likely they worked on a fleet or two of local trucks (oil, septic, buses, etc) that ran SV motors. If it is a stock rebuild you are after, a rebutable old-timer should be able to help you out.
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Old 07-06-2005, 11:29 AM   #30 (permalink)
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out 'em don't let anyone else get burned. In my experience all machine shops miss their dates but a year is way too fawking long.

bum deal man sorry.
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Old 07-07-2005, 11:20 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Who else has had engines built by them and were they late?
One of our Tucson guys (McLaughlin)...the engine took a year.

Sully, Dan & I are trailering my junk to RMIHR if CO-Scout-racer-engine builder can concentrate long enough to build you an engine and have it ready. Not likely but hey.

My opinion is he needs to either have it ready for us to pickup at RMIHR or he needs to refund your money NOW.

I've been so underwhelmed with "IH vendors" over the last four years.

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One of our Tucson guys (McLaughlin)...the engine took a year.

Sully, Dan & I are trailering my junk to RMIHR if CO-Scout-racer-engine builder can concentrate long enough to build you an engine and have it ready. Not likely but hey.

My opinion is he needs to either have it ready for us to pickup at RMIHR or he needs to refund your money NOW.

I've been so underwhelmed with "IH vendors" over the last four years.

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Yeah, I'm well over a year too.(quickly approaching a year and a half at this point.) It's especially frustrating when I was up-front with him about needing it quickly.

I had kind of wanted to go to RMIHR too, but it doesn't look good for me to be able to make the trip in my rig's present condition. I was thinking I could pick the engine up then, but he already told me that there was "no way" he would be able to get it done before RMIHR. (what can really be left to do, after you've been working on it for 16 months?)

At this point, I just want my $$ back, and will be going with a used engine or a stock rebuild.

I've called repeatedly every day so far this week and left messages, but haven't had one phone call returned yet.

In a business environment where your reputation is everything, it amazes me that folks in our particular industry just can't seem to step up to the plate with customer service.
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Old 07-07-2005, 11:49 AM   #33 (permalink)
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While it is a little late to solve your problem--next time you are looking to rebuild an IH motor and you do not have an IH "specialist" nearby, check with the rebutable local macine shops who have been in business for at least 25 years. Most likely they worked on a fleet or two of local trucks (oil, septic, buses, etc) that ran SV motors. If it is a stock rebuild you are after, a rebutable old-timer should be able to help you out.
That's probably my next step, once I get my money back.

The bummer is that I wasn't going for a "stock" rebuild, so I wanted the experience of someone who has intimate knowledge of "warmed up" IH engines.

Unfortunately all the experience in the world doesn't do you any good, if it isn't being applied.
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If this is the vendor i think it is, then yes, he is very good. But from prior experience I know his waiting list is well into a year + for completion. There is no excuse for him to promise something, and not deliver it though. There have been a number of people over the last few years that wanted their money back, because it took so long. Mine took over a year to build because we continued as I had money. Havent talked to him a 2.5 years, so dont know whats up now.

Good luck.

Edit: I may be wrong on who I thought, as you said they dont take credit cards. I know the vendor I am thinking of does or at least did 2 years ago.
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Old 07-11-2005, 03:56 PM   #35 (permalink)
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If this is the vendor i think it is, then yes, he is very good. But from prior experience I know his waiting list is well into a year + for completion.
Then he should have told me his wait was over a year.

When we set the project up, I explicitly said that time was a concern for me, and that I couldn't afford to wait for the engine. He promised me two to three months. Not a year and a half.

Also, I have never heard ANYTHING about a "waiting list." He has told me repeatedly that "The engine is on the stand."

Supposedly it was "almost done" just before the AZIHR. All he needed was to "get the heads back from his machinist". How does that take months?

His role in the RMIHR was an excuse last year, just as it is this year. That ought to be one heck of a show to take up more than a year of his time.

Anyway, I've called several times a day, every day since my last post in this thread. I've left at least one message a day, and have yet to have one phone call returned.

I really don't care how good the engine is at this point, if a businesperson can't find three minutes to return a customers phone call, then how can I trust them with anything else?
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Out him.... demand your money back... and call the BBB (if that would do any good, dunno... never had to do that before).
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Old 07-11-2005, 05:40 PM   #37 (permalink)
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What's the name of the vendor?
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All this and you still haven't named the vendor. Post up! Do some finger pointing.
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Why is it that the Vendors Blame the Product Supplier/Maker?
Take a little responsibility.
If you have a problem with supply, Find a new source. What excuse is acceptable?

You should have posted this on the BB.

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You should have posted this on the BB.

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Why? Confrontation and outing shitty vendors isnt allowed on the BB.
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Dude your losing some leverage not outing him. Its starting to sound like empty threats. We all back you on this deal. Another way to put some pressure is to contact the organizers of all the events he is a vendor at and tell them you'll organize a boycott if they allow vendors who rip off IH enthusiasts to be at their show. Attendance is a major issue and a few posts on a few key sights would probably bring about a good response. We've all been hosed and would love to help someone actually come out on top for once. If we could identify these bad vendors and track them we'd be able to know who not to shop with. In this small a community it doesn't take long to get the rats name around. A few emails to these event organizers would also bring some results if they saw they would lose attendance and money for harboring bad vendors. Its your money but interest is fading for those who support you and your situation.
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Sully, you tease. Who the hell is it?
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Sully, you tease. Who the hell is it?
Probably wrong on this one. 3760 Wheeling Street, #8, Aurora, Colorado
Been there and never told him who I was. Reminded me of a shop in Honey Grove Tx that was less than my idea of professional. Was not impressed with the facilities and the talk I had with him... Just my opinion though. I have a different view of people and other things. Take it with a grain of salt.
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Probably wrong on this one. 3760 Wheeling Street, #8, Aurora, Colorado
On the contrary, you are dead on correct.

I've specifically avoided naming names thus far, while I am still trying to get my money back. Though most of you seem to have figured out exactly who it is, and many have sent me PMs about similar experiences.

Since I can't seem to even get ahold of this particular individual to talk to them, that's beginning to seem a bit pointless.

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Dude your losing some leverage not outing him. Its starting to sound like empty threats. We all back you on this deal. Another way to put some pressure is to contact the organizers of all the events he is a vendor at and tell them you'll organize a boycott if they allow vendors who rip off IH enthusiasts to be at their show. Attendance is a major issue and a few posts on a few key sights would probably bring about a good response. We've all been hosed and would love to help someone actually come out on top for once. If we could identify these bad vendors and track them we'd be able to know who not to shop with. In this small a community it doesn't take long to get the rats name around. A few emails to these event organizers would also bring some results if they saw they would lose attendance and money for harboring bad vendors. Its your money but interest is fading for those who support you and your situation.
A few emails to the event organizers aren't going to change my situation much, when my problem is with one of the primary event organizers himself.

Shitty situation all the way around, eh?
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I fiquired it was him.

If you don't mind me asking, what was the cost of the engine in question? CI, expected HP, what quality of componants. Forged pistons, cam profile and the most important part of any engine the heads. What work was to be performed on them?
I'm wondering if I should start building IH engines. I have rebuilt them in stock form and when I look at the IH engine I see alot that can be performed on them. Just wondering to myself if there is a market for them.
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Call the cops and file charges. If the amount is in excess of 500 dollars it is considered a felony in most places. Call the cops and get the ball rolling. I still have no idea who it is but like someone said before that is why I don't use IH power because it is hard to find builders and of the builders out there only a few a reputable. Anyway if I can help let me know. As I said before I have a 345 block you are welcome to. Sounds like a good time for a drivetrain swap.
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I fiquired it was him.

If you don't mind me asking, what was the cost of the engine in question? CI, expected HP, what quality of componants. Forged pistons, cam profile and the most important part of any engine the heads. What work was to be performed on them?
I'm wondering if I should start building IH engines. I have rebuilt them in stock form and when I look at the IH engine I see alot that can be performed on them. Just wondering to myself if there is a market for them.
Such simple engines, all forged components stock. Excellent for blowing, but everyone is too wuss-ified to do it.
Can convert to a mechanical lifter roller rocker setup very easily!
dave @ clhmachine cnc ports the heads untill hole appear in the wall and he has to weld them shut. (typical shitty IH casting)
and more and more
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Another full week has come and gone.

I have called several times a day, and left a message for him at least once every single day. Not one attempt to call me back has been made as of yet.

For those who are going to RMIHR this weekend, could you do me a favor? If you see John Comer, tell him that he needs to return my phone calls by the end of the day Monday the 18th of July. My numbers are on his answering machine.

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