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Old 01-10-2010, 06:25 PM   #176 (permalink)
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Its a shame you don't have a table that you could set that engine on
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Old 01-10-2010, 06:30 PM   #177 (permalink)
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Its a shame you don't have a table that you could set that engine on
When I get the 6v installed I'm going to set the whole fawking truck on the table...

Just cuz I can
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When I get the 6v installed I'm going to set the whole fawking truck on the table...

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You sure it'll hold? I mean, it's not THAT overbuilt
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Old 01-11-2010, 11:47 AM   #179 (permalink)
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You sure it'll hold? I mean, it's not THAT overbuilt
If it doesnt I'll just build a bigger one


And yeah, I really do think it would hold the truck no problem.. approx 7-8k lbs with the new engine (guessing)
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I don't think it'd flinch. that table is absurd, and I'm fascinated with it
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Old 03-26-2010, 08:52 PM   #181 (permalink)
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Engine comes out tomorrow morning. Pulled the radiator and front clip this evening. Should make some good progress this weekend.

If anyone wants the engine or any parts off of it, let me know.

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Got the engine out this evening. The trans. cross member was a real whore to get out.. even with the help of the almighty sawzall. Stripped a bunch of useless little brackets off the frame rails, pulled the brake master cylinder, pulled the shocks off, drained the last few gallons out of the fuel tank..





Tomorrow I'm going to try and get it rolled out the shop door and spend some time with the pressure washer. There is 1/2" thick dirt/grease covering most of the frame rails.. catches fire real easy and stays lit.



After that.. its time to torch out a bunch of rivets and remove the rest of the trans crossmember, as well as the two braces up front that form the V, and the steering column/box.. Not sure exactly what I'm going to do for steering now. Once I get the engine mounted and see how much room I have to work with I will be able to make a decision. Fenders are coming off tomorrow also, after I take a few measurements.

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Didnt get to spend much time on this today.. only 3 hours or so. I pulled the fenders and then went to work with the torch, burning rivets out of the frame to get the "V" crossmember, shock mounts and some other misc. brackets off the frame.



The steering column and box are coming out tomorrow. I've never pulled apart one of these type steering columns. I assume it is just a straight solid steering shaft inside the tube? I'm thinking I can cut the tube at the firewall and cut the steering shaft so it sticks out a few inches to where I can add a bushing in the end of the tube and weld or bolt a universal on. Sound good?



The frame rails are not very thick (~ 1/8") and flex pretty easily. Once I see how well the engine will clear and make any needed mods, I will box the frame rails.

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The steering column and box are coming out tomorrow. I've never pulled apart one of these type steering columns. I assume it is just a straight solid steering shaft inside the tube? I'm thinking I can cut the tube at the firewall and cut the steering shaft so it sticks out a few inches to where I can add a bushing in the end of the tube and weld or bolt a universal on. Sound good?
My 80 had a column like that, and I did the same thing, cut it short and weld a bushing in the end.


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Old 03-28-2010, 08:55 PM   #185 (permalink)
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Thanks for the pic. What is the spring for? Why not just run the aluminum collar up close to the bushing?
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Can't wait to see ya stab the Detroit in there. This is one cool build you got.
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Old 03-30-2010, 12:41 AM   #187 (permalink)
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I spent some time earlier today stripping some parts off the old engine and draining the rest of the coolant/oil.. It goes to the scrap yard in the morning along with the rest of the steel and misc crap I cut off the frame. I pulled the old 4 speed trans off.. going to keep it for now.

Once I finished that up, I cut the steering column/shaft near the firewall and pulled the box off the frame. I cut it long for now.. I'm sure I will end up cutting it back almost flush with the firewall when its all said and done.

I spent a little time scraping grunge off of the frame rails and cleaning up the floor before getting ready to trial fit the new engine. I picked it up with the engine hoist and realized that the hoist was in need of a little work.. the bolt that attaches the cylinder ram to the lifting arm was bent, and the right side leg was bent also, causing it lift lean pretty bad to the right.



Replaced the cheap bolt with good grade 8 stuff. I flipped the right leg and welded the caster to the other side for a quick fix. Now it leans just slightly left and makes me a lot less nervous

Got it lifted up and in close to the firewall and realized the big "elephant ear" motor mounts at the rear needed to come off to get it lowered into place.





After pulling the mounts, it slid into place pretty easily. It is a tight fit.. but not as bad as I thought it would be. I cut some 1 1/8" solid round bar to span the frame rails front and rear to support the engine.



The alternator mount is sky high.. gotta re-do that eventually.



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Old 03-30-2010, 12:48 AM   #188 (permalink)
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You can see how close the fit is, especially on the passenger side w/ the starter. I'm going to take a better look at it tomorrow and take some measurements before pulling the engine back out and starting on the frame mods and boxing.



As it sits now, the oil pan is very close to the front diff. So I will either need to raise the engine, lift the truck, notch the pan, notch the diff. to get more clearance

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Very cool

Good to see you making progress on it

Are you going to keep the push-pull steering or change to crossover? Nice job on that driver's side spring perch. It looks really clean.

I felt the same way when I had the PSD and ZF hanging off the hoist.... Geez, I hope I don't drop this thing and kill myself in the process
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just read through your build thread, your truck looks in amazing shape. Nice job on the D70 BTW. It kinda sucks about the tree incident but it actually escaped better than I thought after seeing those first pictures.

I thought of TrkKlr's chevy when you mentioned putting in a detroit, man they are huge! He has had to do a pile of modifications to make it fit but it looks right at home in your bay.

last weekend I dragged home a 49 international KB1 for the body, putting it on my Chevy 4x (1 ton), there are not too many of these trucks around

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Might want to throw that engine on Binder Planet. There are some IH folks in Texas, maybe they will come pick it up from you.

Boxing the frame will sure beef it, how far back you going?

The guy that put the 353 in a 64 or 65 Chevy is on here now. He also has some you tube videos posted. When I find him I'll post the link.

This is going to be interesting, welcome back!

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Old 03-30-2010, 10:05 PM   #192 (permalink)
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Very cool

Good to see you making progress on it

Are you going to keep the push-pull steering or change to crossover? Nice job on that driver's side spring perch. It looks really clean.

I felt the same way when I had the PSD and ZF hanging off the hoist.... Geez, I hope I don't drop this thing and kill myself in the process
Probably going to stick with the push-pull type steering. I guess I will need to look for an old Chevy pickup steering box?

Thanks for the compliments.. and yeah, the engine hoist can get a little sketchy at times. I really need to get a forklift for the shop.

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just read through your build thread, your truck looks in amazing shape. Nice job on the D70 BTW. It kinda sucks about the tree incident but it actually escaped better than I thought after seeing those first pictures.

I thought of TrkKlr's chevy when you mentioned putting in a detroit, man they are huge! He has had to do a pile of modifications to make it fit but it looks right at home in your bay.

last weekend I dragged home a 49 international KB1 for the body, putting it on my Chevy 4x (1 ton), there are not too many of these trucks around

Keep it coming, I'm subscribed.
Yeah.. the truck is really pretty solid other than the floor boards and the hurricane damage.

The funniest thing about this build is that my truck appears to have originally been Alpine Green judging from the color of the firewall... the same color as most Detroit Diesel engines

I would like to see your KB1 build whenever you get started.

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Might want to throw that engine on Binder Planet. There are some IH folks in Texas, maybe they will come pick it up from you.

Boxing the frame will sure beef it, how far back you going?

The guy that put the 353 in a 64 or 65 Chevy is on here now. He also has some you tube videos posted. When I find him I'll post the link.

This is going to be interesting, welcome back!
I scrapped the engine today... I've tried to sell it cheeep and give it away a few times with no bits, so off it went. It kind of sucks to throw away old iron like that, but it is kind of refreshing in a weird way. I did keep the carburator, distributor and starter off of it in case someone else can use them. Probably throw em up on Ebay for cheap. I kept the tranny also as I can find a use for that eventually.

As far as boxing the frame goes.. I've actually decided to widen the frame slightly, starting from the front crossmember going to about the rear of the leaf springs. I will go into the details more later, but it is going to end up beefy and will give me a bit more room for clutch linkage and the starter.

I'm going to box the frame back to mid cab area for now. I will box the rear portion later on when I have the bed pulled off.

I think I know the 64 Chevy truck you are talking about. His name on YouTube is Motel Cambodia IIRC.
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I spent most of my time today measuring and planning for my frame mods and measuring for transmission fitment. I need to move the engine at least 3" further back to get the transmission far enough back that I don't have to hack the floor up too bad, and to give more room for the radiator.

I will have to remove the large bosses on the top/backside of the bellhousing so that the engine will slide back far enough. They hit the angled portion of the lower firewall/floor boards. I pulled the engine back out earlier and removed the bellhousing. There looks to be plenty of meat in the area to remove what I need to without consequenses. The attached picture shows the area circled in red and points to where it is hitting the firewall.

I plan on widening the front part of the frame about 1.5" on each side. I'm picking up some flat stock in the morning to do the frame mods and boxing. Should make some good progress tomorrow and maybe have the engine mounted by this weekend if I keep at it like I have been.
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Will widening the frame give you the room you need for the exhaust system?
I suspect your intending to make the frame stronger to handle the engine and trans. You thinking about relocating/modifying the front spring hangers for oil pan clearence?

It gonna be unique for sure!

Yep the Motel Cambodia name rings a bell. I'm sure it was him. Sorry to hear he sold it.
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Will widening the frame give you the room you need for the exhaust system?
I suspect your intending to make the frame stronger to handle the engine and trans. You thinking about relocating/modifying the front spring hangers for oil pan clearence?

It gonna be unique for sure!

Yep the Motel Cambodia name rings a bell. I'm sure it was him. Sorry to hear he sold it.
The exhaust would have worked fine as is. The main reason I'm widening it is to give me a little extra room for the clutch linkage and for access to the starter. It will also add quite a bit of strength the way I am doing it, versus simply boxing it. It needs the beef seeing as this engine is about 3 times heavier than the old I-6.

I will probably just lift the truck a bit to get my oilpan clearance. Not sure if I'll just build new hangers and shackles, or replace the springs also. I would like to run a 37 or 38" tire eventually, so I will need the extra bit of lift anyways.
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Those front springs should provide plenty of support for the engine. Designing the frame to give you pan clearance with relocation of the hangers will be pretty straightforward. A straight frame rail out past the engine mounts with a bigger step down at the front end of the frame and a heavy duty front crossmember for the spring mounts would probably net you 3 to 4 inches of pan clearance. I doubt those springs will flex more than that!
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Picked up the 3/16" x 6" wide flat stock this morning for the frame mods and boxing the front section. Then I went to work removing the clutch and brake linkages that were mounted to the frame, as well as the leftover pieces of crossmember that were still riveted in. Spent a lot of time with the blue wrench, hammer and prybar to get it all out. It was really a pretty wacky setup... wayyy over complicated for what it was.. half riveted, half bolted and fully a pain in the ass to remove

After that I spent a few hours scraping and wire brushing the frame rails clean and then hit the outside, top and bottoms with a wire wheel to get it nice and clean for tomorrow where I'll be welding.



Got an original (1979-ish) Detroit Diesel / Allison factory service manual today for 53 series engines.. also a few special tools for working on and tuning the 6v53. Should make my life easier.
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Didnt spend much time in the shop today, but did make some progress.

The new outer frame rails. 3/16" plate



Pass. side tacked in place. Standoff from the original frame is 1 3/8". I tapered the front section even with the front of the crossmember @ about 10 deg.



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Interesting way to widen the frame. I assume you are going to plate it top and bottom, then cut part of the original frame away? Are you going to fish mouth the ends of the new frame rail?
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Interesting way to widen the frame. I assume you are going to plate it top and bottom, then cut part of the original frame away? Are you going to fish mouth the ends of the new frame rail?
Yes. Plate top and bottom, cut away about 1 3/8" width of the original inner frame rail and then also box it with 3/16". I don't plan on fish mouthing the outers.
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