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Old 05-03-2016, 02:21 PM   #151 (permalink)
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Also, the 'production' run might have only ever been 1 set. Maybe the guy in this thread bought the set in the prior pictures, they just cleaned them before they sent them to him.
That is entirely possible since the company rep that swore he had nothing to do with the company said he was giving up on them
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Old 05-03-2016, 02:22 PM   #152 (permalink)
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The whole thing is kinda weird.

Primal Offroad has a Facebook page, and there is two comments (from other people) on there alluding to them making CV axles for D30s. There is nothing else on the page, I'm guessing they scrubbed it when they stopped selling them.

Wheel-spacers.com has an email address that is [email protected]. So, same people.

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They do look like stock outers in those pictures.
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Old 05-03-2016, 02:28 PM   #153 (permalink)
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It just would have been nice if the guy selling them would have answered the question about what the cv joints were made of and the possibility of replacing them later instead of taking the flame war bait, spouting advertising jargon about the size of his warehouse then logging off. Its good to see they are working out for someone at least. Hopefully their product support isn't as bad as their marketing department.
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Old 05-03-2016, 02:31 PM   #154 (permalink)
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They cleaned them well then. LOL! they are still selling them on Ebay. I can understand the problems with production costs and run sizes, it is possible as mentioned previously that the CV cages are from a different application (Dodge, Ford.... etc.) and they just pressed shafts in there? The truth is that they BARELY fit in the hub, so the cages are visibly larger than GC. I wanted to start a discussion between guys who know their stuff. Its interesting that Spidr mentioned GC CV axles. what do you guys think of that? My brother just bought an XJ and wanted to switch the U joints for CV axles, and i thought the GC was a good deal for the money. Thoughts?
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They cleaned them well then. LOL! they are still selling them on Ebay. I can understand the problems with production costs and run sizes, it is possible as mentioned previously that the CV cages are from a different application (Dodge, Ford.... etc.) and they just pressed shafts in there? The truth is that they BARELY fit in the hub, so the cages are visibly larger than GC. I wanted to start a discussion between guys who know their stuff. Its interesting that Spidr mentioned GC CV axles. what do you guys think of that? My brother just bought an XJ and wanted to switch the U joints for CV axles, and i thought the GC was a good deal for the money. Thoughts?
Factor GC CV axles are weaker than Factory 760X axles
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Factor GC CV axles are weaker than Factory 760X axles
In a straight line? Maybe.

Turning? I highly doubt it.
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Factor GC CV axles are weaker than Factory 760X axles
Do you have real world numbers to prove it? AFAIK nobody has ever put them in an axle testing apparatus, since such an apparatus is a rare thing to have, and the GC CV axles long had a stigma as people thought they were the same as the early Quadratrac XJ CVs.

As Spidr alludes, personally I bet they're stronger when you're approaching the steering lock. But who knows, I know people who run them with success, I also know somebody who managed to detonate a R&P while running early 260X shafts (locked). There is many variables in any failure situation, which is why short of putting them in a tester it's all just butt-dyno certification of mediocrity.
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They cleaned them well then. LOL! they are still selling them on Ebay. I can understand the problems with production costs and run sizes, it is possible as mentioned previously that the CV cages are from a different application (Dodge, Ford.... etc.) and they just pressed shafts in there? The truth is that they BARELY fit in the hub, so the cages are visibly larger than GC. I wanted to start a discussion between guys who know their stuff. Its interesting that Spidr mentioned GC CV axles. what do you guys think of that? My brother just bought an XJ and wanted to switch the U joints for CV axles, and i thought the GC was a good deal for the money. Thoughts?
Link to eBay ad? To me visting eBay is like fucking a hooker with AIDS, if I'm gonna go there it's gonna be a quick in and out.

If these CVs are from a different application, I would love to know. If this is something that a guy could potentially DIY then I'd be very much interested in exploring the option. There is certainly larger CVs than the GC ones out there, it's just not something that really has been explored in depth.
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Link to eBay ad? To me visting eBay is like fucking a hooker with AIDS, if I'm gonna go there it's gonna be a quick in and out.

If these CVs are from a different application, I would love to know. If this is something that a guy could potentially DIY then I'd be very much interested in exploring the option. There is certainly larger CVs than the GC ones out there, it's just not something that really has been explored in depth.

LOL! that hooker visual....
Here you go, they have them for both the dana 30 and 44.
Dana 30 Front Jeep Axle Upgrade | eBay

It also looks like they changed their warranty......... again.

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Attach those to a 4340 chromoly shaft that tested more than 225 ftlbs stronger than a stock Dana 44 and you’ve got an axle that is Built For Battle.
I'll have to remember my Ebay username so I can go ask. Because obviously they've extensively tested these and have numbers to back this up........
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They are talking about the shafts being stronger.... the elephant in the room is the cage and I have no idea where those come from. Any 4340 shaft WILL be stronger than a similarly sized stock shaft. The biggest reason for me to like the CV's over u joints, is their added strengths at angles, a U joint loses 50% of its strength at 45 degrees. (many U joint fanatics won't admit it) but that's a fact.
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They are talking about the shafts being stronger.... the elephant in the room is the cage and I have no idea where those come from. Any 4340 shaft WILL be stronger than a similarly sized stock shaft. The biggest reason for me to like the CV's over u joints, is their added strengths at angles, a U joint loses 50% of its strength at 45 degrees. (many U joint fanatics won't admit it) but that's a fact.
Except that they are making the claim against D44 shafts. Which are not the same size, and the strength increase is marginal compared to aftermarket chromo shafts, and is still a bullshit number, as you mentioned the cage......

There are very few axle testing machines out there, so if they have the numbers, which I doubt, then one of the major companies out there has physically had their hands on these.
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I asked the guy. We'll see what he says. Somebody else should ask him too, so he knows we're serious.
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Yes, 225 Ft Lbs is not a lot, but you have to consider that a stock D44 shaft measures 1.310" and these D30 are 1.160" given the .150" difference against the D30, it is still impressive that the shafts are even "marginally" stronger. In all fairness, an axle testing machine is not that difficult to put together, you need two strong splined blocks, a way to generate rotation (hydraulic probably) and a way to measure the force exerted on the axle, I would love to see a strength number for the "cage / shaft" combo. RCV was doing a similar live demonstration at a show.
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I asked the guy. We'll see what he says. Somebody else should ask him too, so he knows we're serious.
Did you ask about the cages? please keep us posted. I'm gonna ask them about warranty, because it seems like they change that depending on the day of the week.
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Interesting, it's showing no questions asked.
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Interesting, it's showing no questions asked.
I don't know how it works, see prior comment about hooker with AIDS. I think he has to 'approve' the question before it shows, so I can't just fill the questions with Yo Momma jokes.

Or I fucked it up. Also see prior comment about hooker with AIDS.
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Ah, I don't deal much with ebay. I didn't realize that questions had to be approved.
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the company is a joke

"no questions asked warranty" "if it breaks, its covered, for life"


just till 60 days though.....then you start paying for them to replace.


unlike RCV, which is a real true no questions warranty if you break it.
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Ah, I don't deal much with ebay. I didn't realize that questions had to be approved.
That's what I'm assuming at least. I clicked "ask a question" and it had this stupid fucking FAQ shit about shipping and returns, which was exactly what was in the ad, then at the bottom it had "contact seller for other questions", clicked that, typed my shit, and away it went. But it shows in my sent messages. So I don't know if I can actually ask a question and have it show on the ad. Like I said, other people should ask, because I think they might just ignore me.
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That's what I'm assuming at least. I clicked "ask a question" and it had this stupid fucking FAQ shit about shipping and returns, which was exactly what was in the ad, then at the bottom it had "contact seller for other questions", clicked that, typed my shit, and away it went. But it shows in my sent messages. So I don't know if I can actually ask a question and have it show on the ad. Like I said, other people should ask, because I think they might just ignore me.
I asked about the warranty, I had been in contact with them in the past, and they were quick to reply. I followed the same process to send my message. I hope someone is monitoring that inbox.
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