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Old 04-24-2017, 09:12 AM   #51 (permalink)
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That escalated quickly! Great progress, you work fast.
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Old 04-24-2017, 01:04 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Thanks. A stretched body on a CJ would be killer. Do you have a build thread for it? I'd like to watch your progress.







It's a bit hard to tell at this stage because it's raised way up on the pipe stands, but i can get you an estimate. Looking at the rear (factoring a half inch clearance between the underside of the body and the upper axle links at bump) it has around 5.75" of uptravel with a 23.5" height from bottom of frame rails to ground. I'll get you a final number once it's rolling on its own feet. Let me know how this stacks up in your opinion? To maintain the same up travel numbers I'd have to start cutting into the floor to get it any lower. And this would require a number of other changes up front.







I appreciate you reaffirming this decision. Big shocks are cool, but the added oil volume is only useable if the frame and the other components are capable of tolerating higher speeds over the rough stuff. My plan is to tie the cage into the frame and potentially tie the front shock hoops into the cage as well down the road.







Thanks. I would definitely recommend steering box relocation. It eliminates so many of the uptravel problems associated with swapping to larger axles and gaining wheelbase.


Just started it, I'll get more pics tonight to where I'm at...


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Great build, glad to see someone cutting off frame of a LJ Should be an awesome combo with that wheelbase and 40s.
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Old 04-24-2017, 09:58 PM   #54 (permalink)
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Thanks. A stretched body on a CJ would be killer. Do you have a build thread for it? I'd like to watch your progress.



It's a bit hard to tell at this stage because it's raised way up on the pipe stands, but i can get you an estimate. Looking at the rear (factoring a half inch clearance between the underside of the body and the upper axle links at bump) it has around 5.75" of uptravel with a 23.5" height from bottom of frame rails to ground. I'll get you a final number once it's rolling on its own feet. Let me know how this stacks up in your opinion? To maintain the same up travel numbers I'd have to start cutting into the floor to get it any lower. And this would require a number of other changes up front.

I'm having issues with fitting my steering box right now. I'm running high steer, so your setup isn't going to work for me. Space is tight. I'm currently 25" from bottom of frame and 76" top of windshield with 39's. YJ frame and tubs with CJ front clip. I had to put my rear coilovers through the tub, which will be covered by sheetmetal (I have kids).
I'm running 2.0 coilovers, so I was able to keep the stock frame...barely. My rear uptravel is 6.75", and I'm attempting to get 6" up front. This isn't a LCOG build, but I'm trying to squeeze as much uptravel while fitting in a garage.
Keep up the progress. You're making me think about starting a build thread, but I don't want to deal with the bullshit from web wheelers.
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I really like the nesting program you used for cutting out multiple pieces of steel! Keep up the great fab work
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Sweet build man, and I don't want to hijack your build thread, but if you find yourself wanting to throw on some stretched corner guards, I have a set of Genright LJ Stretched Corner Guards (Steel) that I've never used and are still in the original packaging. If you are interested, PM me and I'll give a good deal to let them go to a good home if they get used. Hijack over.
I appreciate the offer, but I'm going to pass. I'm on a budget for this project and right now making my existing armor work is what I have to do. My brother is building a CNC plasma table right now, so when it's finished I'll burn out some shapes to fill in the cutouts on the armor to match the new wheelbase.
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Old 04-29-2017, 10:13 AM   #57 (permalink)
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That escalated quickly! Great progress, you work fast.

Indeed it did! Actually the back half was over a period of a few weeks, I just can't seem to keep up with the photos and uploads to this thread. To your credit I could have used the stock frame and lived with rubbing, but it was a good opportunity to take the build one step further. Plus, I want to hit the longer wheelbase in the end.
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Great build, glad to see someone cutting off frame of a LJ Should be an awesome combo with that wheelbase and 40s.
GTXracer in the house! Hey I can't tell you how many times I referenced your Ultimate Wrangler Build Ups Thread. That is a truly awesome resource for the Pirate community. Thanks for your time and effort putting that together.

Glad you like the build. It's not often people cut an LJ frame in half, but I was looking for a way to make this build a little more unique.
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I'm having issues with fitting my steering box right now. I'm running high steer, so your setup isn't going to work for me. Space is tight. I'm currently 25" from bottom of frame and 76" top of windshield with 39's. YJ frame and tubs with CJ front clip. I had to put my rear coilovers through the tub, which will be covered by sheetmetal (I have kids).
I'm running 2.0 coilovers, so I was able to keep the stock frame...barely. My rear uptravel is 6.75", and I'm attempting to get 6" up front. This isn't a LCOG build, but I'm trying to squeeze as much uptravel while fitting in a garage.
Keep up the progress. You're making me think about starting a build thread, but I don't want to deal with the bullshit from web wheelers.
It sounds like our numbers are pretty similar (comparing up travel vs frame height) depending on where the shocks are set at ride height. In the rear for example, if you were to drop the uptavel by an inch then our frame heights would be more comparable (in the 23.5" range). In the rear I don't think much more uptravel can be achieved using a stock jeep tub without cutting into the underside of the body.

Regarding your comment about wanting to start a thread, my personal opinion is not to worry about bullshit from web wheelers. We're all trying to improve our game here, and odds are there's someone else facing similar build situations as you who could benefit from what you've learned along the way. If someones delivery is sub-par, laugh it off. Most guys who truly know their stuff won't burn you because at one time or another we were all there.

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I really like the nesting program you used for cutting out multiple pieces of steel! Keep up the great fab work
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Using the floor jack and a block of wood, I made final adjustments to the frame to make sure everything was level. Then started hard tacking more of the plates. Also using a motorcycle stand borrowed from my brother I was able to hoist up the gas tank to double check the fitment and room for the rear axle.

Here’s a shot of what’s left of the old frame on the driveway:

Moving back to the lower link crossmember, now with the back half in place and the gas tank situated I made a few adjustments to the link crossmember and finish welded it together.

You can see my welds aren’t the prettiest. But they haven’t broken on me yet.



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I marked and removed more from the corners so the larger tires would fit in the fenderwells.

Once final wheelbase is set I plan to cut some steel to fill in the wheel openings so they will be even.

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This is starting to really come together now. With the back half in place, I moved onto welding it together.



Frame welded. I chose to place the coilover reservoirs on the crossbar that runs up to the B Pillar for more of a race vehicle look.


Next I began adding the additional lower tube from the B to the C pillar. This is where I will tie the shock mounts into the frame.
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GTXracer in the house! Hey I can't tell you how many times I referenced your Ultimate Wrangler Build Ups Thread. That is a truly awesome resource for the Pirate community. Thanks for your time and effort putting that together.

Glad you like the build. It's not often people cut an LJ frame in half, but I was looking for a way to make this build a little more unique.
Great to hear it helped out! I should probably update it once again, but there's always so many builds to add

Build is looking good, keep at it.
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With my recent decision to raise the fuel tank a bit on mine, I probably should have back halved it too, I like that kit


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Subbed. I'm pretty much doing the same thing on my '05 LJ less the back half. Nice work!
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Looking good... I've already moved the gas tank to the back as in all TJ's. I'm debating wether doing the back half or not...
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My LJ is also 112" and on 40'S. It's amazing what the extra WB can do for the LJ. I'm going to sticky's and swapping my rear RJ 60 for a 14-bolt. You will have a big smile on your face after your first run.
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My LJ is also 112" and on 40'S. It's amazing what the extra WB can do for the LJ. I'm going to sticky's and swapping my rear RJ 60 for a 14-bolt. You will have a big smile on your face after your first run.
Out of curious... why going from a RJ60 to 14 bolt? I went 14 bolt but sometimes I wonder if a 60 would be a better option for lower gears...

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Out of curious... why going from a RJ60 to 14 bolt? I went 14 bolt but sometimes I wonder if a 60 would be a better option for lower gears...

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I had a guy that was interested in my HP RJ60 to replace his D44. I bought a set of near new KRT's and was concerned about how the HP 60 would handle a 39" sticky if I were to come down on a ledge with power and the tires grabbed like I hope they will. The RJ60 is semi-float and a friend had twisted splines on his semi HP60 with 40" non sticky's, so for less than two grand difference, a shaved built 14 bolt with bigger disc brakes seemed the way to go. I'll be running 538 gears.
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Old 05-06-2017, 05:57 PM   #71 (permalink)
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Really nice build! I feel your pain on trying to figure out the front stretch, hi-steer and making everything it. I ended up stretching the front of mine 6" forward, using the frame horns from Brave Motorsports. Build details here:
https://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/jeep-...etch-more.html

I'm really interested in what you did in the back. My plan is to run 2.5" coilovers in the back as well, and I have been going back and forth on putting a tank in the bed or leaving it under the tub. I already have the Blue Torch Fab tank under the back, so I have lots of room to stretch the wheelbase back, but as you found out, the 2.5's are not going to fit with a stock width frame. So it's either ditch that tank and go to a fuel cell in the bed or do like you did and narrow a section of the frame.

It looks like you had some pre-made pieces to join the various pieces of straight tubing. Was this something you designed & fabbed or is it something that's commercially available?
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How's the progress coming?
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Old 06-13-2017, 11:36 AM   #73 (permalink)
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Back-half kit and steering box

Subbed. I am in the process of gathering parts and researching putting 1 tons under my LJ, too.

Is that back-half kit from Brian at 4x4Outlet?

Also, did you stay with the stock Merc. box with the TNT front stretch kit?

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Welp, almost two years later and it’s time to pick back up on this build! Time for a thread revival!

You know how life goes… things get busy… sold my business, sold my house, moved to a new state and had a baby. During this time I was able to complete most of the build. I took pics of the progress and thought it would be worth posting the rest of the build in case someone finds use from the information or inspiration for their project.

The pics below were prior to doing the back half on the frame. I was testing where the fenders would need to be relocated.


After the back half was complete it was clear more trimming would be needed to accommodate the stretch.

Marked the corner guards, ready for cutting.

Started cutting.

I must have gone into a trance while cutting. Looked down and my clothes were on fire.
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With my recent decision to raise the fuel tank a bit on mine, I probably should have back halved it too, I like that kit


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Thanks. Did you end up ever back halfing your rig?

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Subbed. I'm pretty much doing the same thing on my '05 LJ less the back half. Nice work!
I appreciate the compliment. I'll have to check out your build once I get caught up loading pics and progress over here.

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Looking good... I've already moved the gas tank to the back as in all TJ's. I'm debating wether doing the back half or not...
Only two years late on a response back to you Did you end up sticking with the original frame or did you decide to back half your rig?

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My LJ is also 112" and on 40'S. It's amazing what the extra WB can do for the LJ. I'm going to sticky's and swapping my rear RJ 60 for a 14-bolt. You will have a big smile on your face after your first run.
Nice! I don't want to spoil the surprise too early before getting caught up on this thread, but 112" ended up working out better than I could have imagined. More progress to come.....
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