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Old 01-23-2019, 08:42 PM   #351 (permalink)
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Tossed motor in and did some more flex testing. Rear is pretty much dialed, but running into a few clearance issue with the front. Ill hopefully get more pics and solutions this weekend.

[IMG]IMG_20190118_143916087 by Alex Velasquez, on Flickr[/IMG]

Tire just barely kisses coil at full stuff and perfectly fills the fenderwell.

[IMG]IMG_20190121_165251634 by Alex Velasquez, on Flickr[/IMG]

[IMG]IMG_20190120_164843363 by Alex Velasquez, on Flickr[/IMG]

[IMG]IMG_20190121_164704988 by Alex Velasquez, on Flickr[/IMG]

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Old 01-23-2019, 09:18 PM   #352 (permalink)
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I feel like it's probably not necessary at this point, but damn you have great fab talent! Thanks for sharing. I finished my 2.5 year build just a couple months ago and while I enjoy not having the project hanging over me I do miss building most nights after work - I really enjoyed reading yours over the past few nights and living through you. Curious about a few things though, have you ever done any other project to this level before? Also, on a scale of 1 to 10 where 1 is building and 10 is wheelin', where do you fall? I definitely was ready to be done and wheelin' but didn't realize how much I'd come to enjoy the build process until it was over and sitting on the couch wondering what to do next?

Lastly, a tech-ish question; do you know the ratio on brake pedal offhand?
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Old 01-24-2019, 12:41 PM   #353 (permalink)
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Glad you like the build! I really enjoy building, but without a doubt would rather be jeepin. On a scale if 1-10 I'd probably say I'm about an 8 haha the whole wrenching/fab is a blast but getting out and running it is way more enjoyable for me at least. I'm got a few buddies that seem to always build something sorta half ass, wheel it once, then sell it. If I put a bunch of time and effort into something I definitely wanna use it as much as possible.

Secondly, this is my first full build. I've done spring swaps and what not before but never a full chassis. Hell, this is my first full cage build... Definitely a learning experience haha pedal ratio 7:1
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Old 01-24-2019, 08:12 PM   #354 (permalink)
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Very cool build I picked up lots of good stuff that I can use on mine.
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Old 01-27-2019, 09:59 AM   #355 (permalink)
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I know I said I was gonna try and work on the front, but other parts showed up and I picked up a shit load of aluminum sheet and got a little sidetracked. Ended up getting a sheet of 0.125 5052 for fuel cell, roof top, and other misc panels that will see some shaping and a sheet of 0.125 6061 for all lat panel stuff like floor and fender well stuff.

Gotta love shiny parts

[IMG]IMG_20190124_173510996_2 by Alex Velasquez, on Flickr[/IMG]

Got the hard part done on the drivers side, I just need to pull it back off and trim out for body lines around door opening.

[IMG]IMG_20190126_132226675 by Alex Velasquez, on Flickr[/IMG]

I was trying to think of the the most simple way to build some bump pads and ended up just using a piece of 2.50x.250 wall DOM. Hole sawed the one end and just trimmed the top to set correct height. The top pad is just a piece of 1/4" plate with 4 holes drilled in it. Plan is to tap them and an aluminum pad will be bolted to that with some countersinks. This way I can just build two sets of pads (small tires in summer and big in winter) and not have to worry about pulling apart the bump to keep tire out of fenderwell.

[IMG]IMG_20190125_141452164 by Alex Velasquez, on Flickr[/IMG]

Simple gussets and the inner one will double as limit strap mount. Still need to add second tab but you get the idea.

[IMG]IMG_20190126_154535359 by Alex Velasquez, on Flickr[/IMG]

[IMG]IMG_20190126_154817729 by Alex Velasquez, on Flickr[/IMG]

Rough cutting rear floor

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Old 02-03-2019, 09:11 AM   #356 (permalink)
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So my clearance issue with the front was the hi-steer arm/aluminum kp spring retainer making contact with the coilover when at full stuff and lock. I had already clearanced the frame rail on the opposing side to clear while drooped out and compromised the best I possibly could, but sorta ran out of options. This is what I get for trying to keep narrow axles and not be a full blown buggy

Yellow paint marked out when flexed and turned to get exact location that needed to be clearanced.

[IMG]IMG_20190128_171847449 by Alex Velasquez, on Flickr[/IMG]

I was weary at first to eliminate the bolt, but after talking with another engineer at work and explaining my situation he gave me a little more reassurance. Being that the knuckle/arm is keyed, the bolts themselves really don't see a lot of shear, they're more or less there for retaining the spring.

[IMG]IMG_20190130_171008303 by Alex Velasquez, on Flickr[/IMG]

Decided to make a top cover plate to help even out the clamping force across the entire face.

[IMG]IMG_20190201_092909123 by Alex Velasquez, on Flickr[/IMG]

Put some lip stick on it to make it a little more appealing

[IMG]IMG_20190201_101417856 by Alex Velasquez, on Flickr[/IMG]

[IMG]IMG_20190201_104136226 by Alex Velasquez, on Flickr[/IMG]

[IMG]IMG_20190201_115147509 by Alex Velasquez, on Flickr[/IMG]

Finally some of the final flex testing

[IMG]IMG_20190202_103122894 by Alex Velasquez, on Flickr[/IMG]

[IMG]IMG_20190202_101320096 by Alex Velasquez, on Flickr[/IMG]

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Old 02-03-2019, 09:19 AM   #357 (permalink)
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Are you worried about strength with the frame clearance?
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Old 02-03-2019, 09:20 AM   #358 (permalink)
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Started paneling in rear floor section as well.

[IMG]IMG_20190201_140801684 by Alex Velasquez, on Flickr[/IMG]

Mocking in Fuel cell and getting an idea for how muck storage room I'll have.

[IMG]IMG_20190201_183045221 by Alex Velasquez, on Flickr[/IMG]

[IMG]IMG_20190202_100704649_HDR by Alex Velasquez, on Flickr[/IMG]

Almost forgot, I finally got around to making my bump stop pads

[IMG]IMG_20190201_140754010 by Alex Velasquez, on Flickr[/IMG]

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Old 02-03-2019, 09:31 AM   #359 (permalink)
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Are you worried about strength with the frame clearance?
If my bump stop was going somewhere in there I would be, but really that portion won't see a lot of stress. Most of the stress will be transferred through the shock hoop pushing back into the cowl tube, which pushes back into cage tie in. That being said, I still would like to work some sort of support back in so I don't have such a large unsupported span just for piece of mind.
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Old 02-03-2019, 09:37 AM   #360 (permalink)
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I had the same issues at the KP cap as you. I got away with moving the shock mount farther back on the axle, actually on top of the link bracket. I suppose thatís one reason ball joint axles are popular now.
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Old 02-03-2019, 09:53 AM   #361 (permalink)
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I had the same issues at the KP cap as you. I got away with moving the shock mount farther back on the axle, actually on top of the link bracket. I suppose thatís one reason ball joint axles are popular now.
Exactly what I told Joe. I told him if he doesn't have a bunch of money already wrapped up into his 60 maybe think of going the Super Duty route. However, he'll be true full width and ORI's so that'll make loads more room.
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Old 02-05-2019, 06:51 PM   #362 (permalink)
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Had a snow day from work yesterday so wandered around the garage a bit and got some little stuff done.

Ended up having some left over material from my ram mount/skid and used it up to support my rail clearance up front. The smaller diameter worked out perfect to clear the steering pump.

[IMG]IMG_20190205_172326559 by Alex Velasquez, on Flickr[/IMG]

[IMG]IMG_20190205_172308311 by Alex Velasquez, on Flickr[/IMG]

Also, I started mocking in the front bump stops

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What's your targets for bump and droop travel? Your shocks look like 8" of uptravel at ride height, but your rear bumps look like they'll hit pad within 2" for a total of 4"? Am I missing something?
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It's kinda a weird scenario haha both front and rear were set up with 14" coilovers, but running 12's in the back. At current ride height in the rear I have about 4.5" uptravel and whatever left in droop. It really can't droop out with 14s to its full potential because my rear driveline is so short so thats why I ended up running the 12s. Front I'll have about 5" up because I needed to limit it based off of full lock and stuff. Major compromises had to be made in order to keep it under 80" overall width and full Jeep body more or less. Like I've said from the beginning, not really my intent to build a race rig just a solid pnw trail Jeep that I can snow wheel the piss out of and still fit on every tight trail we have and feel very comfortable on sidehills.
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So in regards to the bump stops... You mention a big bump stop pad for winter. Are you planning to run a bigger tire for snow wheeling?
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So in regards to the bump stops... You mention a big bump stop pad for winter. Are you planning to run a bigger tire for snow wheeling?
Thats the plan. I was originally planning to run 39.5 pussylips, but a buddy of mine just put me on a set of 40 Kevlars his friend is selling. New plan is to run those now and picking them up at the end of the month

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Cool. I haven't seen 39.5 pussylips before... Lol
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It's kinda a weird scenario haha both front and rear were set up with 14" coilovers, but running 12's in the back. At current ride height in the rear I have about 4.5" uptravel and whatever left in droop. It really can't droop out with 14s to its full potential because my rear driveline is so short so thats why I ended up running the 12s. Front I'll have about 5" up because I needed to limit it based off of full lock and stuff. Major compromises had to be made in order to keep it under 80" overall width and full Jeep body more or less. Like I've said from the beginning, not really my intent to build a race rig just a solid pnw trail Jeep that I can snow wheel the piss out of and still fit on every tight trail we have and feel very comfortable on sidehills.
Ahhh, the 14" to 12" switch is what I missed, makes sense now.

How much taller is the bump pad for the snow tires going to be? Got to be an inch or so, planning on adding a little preload to the coils or just running around on the bumpstops?
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Cool. I haven't seen 39.5 pussylips before... Lol
not that I'd WANT to either...
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Here's a set of pussylips, but in 44" flavor

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Ahhh, the 14" to 12" switch is what I missed, makes sense now.

How much taller is the bump pad for the snow tires going to be? Got to be an inch or so, planning on adding a little preload to the coils or just running around on the bumpstops?
Still haven't made a set, but probably gonna be around there. I just don't want the tires mashing into the fenderwells risking getting them all cut up. I'll probably also mess around with preload a bit and gain a small amount of height. Right now the rear has zero pre-load and no charge.
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Still haven't made a set, but probably gonna be around there. I just don't want the tires mashing into the fenderwells risking getting them all cut up. I'll probably also mess around with preload a bit and gain a small amount of height. Right now the rear has zero pre-load and no charge.
Gotcha. You'll definitely get used to the "click click click" of them tapping the pads as you drive along but at least they're nice and smooth, especially if you're only running 50-100 psi. I'm still playing around with mine but 100 psi seems nice for crawling around, I'm trying 150 currently since I've been jumping mine a little bit.

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Made a small 3/4" flange as a frame work to panel in the bump can windows. Probably would've made this portion out of aluminum also but I don't have a tig and would be too much of a hassle to take back and forth to work to get it to fit the way I wanted to.

[IMG]IMG_20190208_103046430 by Alex Velasquez, on Flickr[/IMG]

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Simple flat pattern sketched out

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Panel is help in with micro tacks for now. I plan to pull assembly and stitch it with the Tig at work.

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Got around to trimming drivers skin and getting it fit. Also, plated in front bump can mounts.

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Better lighting outside

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I can't stop checking out your updates, even though they make me want to go out to the shop and burn my Jeep to the ground.

One thing I did notice is that you have the harmonic balancer removed. You're not worried about junk getting in there? It's kind of a open hole.
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