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Old 10-28-2005, 01:10 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Wrangler TJ on Mog Axle

Hello, I am traying to install Mog axles on my Jeep TJ. I am locking of somme foto of this modification. How do you fixe the arms ? what is the ride quality ?Do you have fotos of disk brake systeme do you use. Wenn is possible, I don't like to go with the 8 lugs wheels, they are expensives and not easy to find here in Switzerland. I 'd like to go with 5 or 6 lugs wheel. The choice is more important Any info or help will be welcome.
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Send me your Dynatrac 60's when you are done installing the mogs.
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I think you will regret switching from built D60's to MOGS.
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I think you will regret switching from built D60's to MOGS.
Why do meen that I will regret the switching ?
The 60 are heavy too and I loose a lot of clearance because they are big. On my minds, the mog axles will solve theses problemes or Am I wrong ?
It 's difficult for me to find the pro and cons on thes axles
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Not a good idea.
Ask anyone who has ever dealt with them.

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Old 10-28-2005, 08:48 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Mog axles are hard to fit in a vehicle and keep low, parts are expensive and hard to find (in the US), they tend to break more than a built D60 would, they weigh quite a bit more than your 60's, and the ground clearance really isnt that big of a factor. A D60 is dirt simple to work on and find parts for (once again, in the US). You obviously already have the 60's in your Jeep, why mess with something that works bad ass? How many times have you broke your current axles?

At one time, I thought Mog axles were the way to go, but then I learned to drive and dont need the ground clearance now. I would much rather have a lower COG and less potential for breakage. Not trying to hate on peeps that have Mog axles, because they do work well for some rigs, but since you already have a good set of axles why change it?
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I don't know the exact weight of a mog axle but I would think they would weigh considerably more than a 60. You will gain a lot of ground clearance though.
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Mog axles are hard to fit in a vehicle and keep low, parts are expensive and hard to find (in the US), they tend to break more than a built D60 would, they weigh quite a bit more than your 60's, and the ground clearance really isnt that big of a factor. A D60 is dirt simple to work on and find parts for (once again, in the US). You obviously already have the 60's in your Jeep, why mess with something that works bad ass? How many times have you broke your current axles?

At one time, I thought Mog axles were the way to go, but then I learned to drive and dont need the ground clearance now. I would much rather have a lower COG and less potential for breakage. Not trying to hate on peeps that have Mog axles, because they do work well for some rigs, but since you already have a good set of axles why change it?
The COG argument is a myth. Yes, a full bodied vehicle will be tall.
Built right, a 404 axle is stronger than a D60.
The portals are not designed to jump so it all depends on the type of wheeling you do. If your wheeling style does not include getting airborne then the D60 will break long before a stock 404.
here is a Mog 404 shaft next to a D60 shaft:
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Plus the 404 is on the weak end of the Mog spectrum-- there are MUCH stronger Mog axles available.
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No, No, No...
Not a good idea.
Ask anyone who has ever dealt with them.

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they just have mogs on jeeps thats why i posted them
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Old 10-28-2005, 09:25 AM   #16 (permalink)
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they just have mogs on jeeps thats why i posted them
Cool.
Check through the Mercedes forum. There are a couple of jeeps on mogs. Milcrawler (million dollar crawler) is one.
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Cool.
Check through the Mercedes forum. There are a couple of jeeps on mogs. Milcrawler (million dollar crawler) is one.
I have the 60'S on the Jeep and I have the Mogs axles on the side. Mogs pieces are easy to find here in Switzerland

My 60's are the first serie from Dynatrac, heavy and big, not the hight clearance version. I know these Killer Axles, Exaxct and Tarandon but they want only sell 8 lugs version for 16,5 inch wheel and I don't like this if it's possible. The 16,5 inch are not commun in Europe and we have to import the tires direct from USA and it's expensive.
When it's possible, I d'like to with 6 lugs like Chevy or Toyota and 16 inch wheel. But nobody want to make this for me
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The COG argument is a myth. Yes, a full bodied vehicle will be tall.
Built right, a 404 axle is stronger than a D60.
The portals are not designed to jump so it all depends on the type of wheeling you do. If your wheeling style does not include getting airborne then the D60 will break long before a stock 404.
here is a Mog 404 shaft next to a D60 shaft:

How is the COG argument a myth? If the rig is taller because of the portal drop and gynormous pinion, the COG WILL be higher. We ARE discussing a full bodied rig here.

Stock parts to stock parts, a 404 is only slightly stronger in some areas. The 404's/Mogs have their advantages, no doubt. They are a strong, heavy axle in stock form that is capable of handling a big tire and a lot of weight.

I like the picture of the 404 shaft next to a stock, rusted, 30 spline shaft. Put those same shafts next to a set of 300M 40 spline shafts. I could post a picture of a set of D60 shafts next to D27 parts, but whats the point? Its hard to compare the axles due to their massive differences. There is room to upgrade a D60, not much you can do with a MOG. Gear ratios, lockers, knuckles, not really any upgrade parts, unless you swap the center section out for a 9"/toyota/Dana center.

Both axles have their place. You chose your axles because they fit your rig and wheeling the best. My whole point was the fact that this guy has a BAD ASS set of axles and might not want to go through the effort of re-engineering the wheel for only minor gains in a few areas, and less performance in others.
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Both axles have their place. You chose your axles because they fit your rig and wheeling the best. My whole point was the fact that this guy has a BAD ASS set of axles and might not want to go through the effort of re-engineering the wheel for only minor gains in a few areas, and less performance in others.
The problem is that not everybody have a business or a shop were they can built their own Jeep. Other difficult, not everybody have the capacity and maybe time to re-engineering the wheel like you did.
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Look at MilCrawl's jeep here on the board. It is super low for being on 44's and straight kicks ass for flex. I think he only has like 4" of uptravel and 14" of down travel. After seeing his build and the way the jeep works I dont think his cog is too high at all.

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How is the COG argument a myth? If the rig is taller because of the portal drop and gynormous pinion, the COG WILL be higher. We ARE discussing a full bodied rig here.
You are not the first to mention the raising CG - but it's mostly a myth and visual impression... When testing two rigs, a lifted Landrover on stock axles, and the same one on Volvo portals, the CG of the rig on portals turned out to be... lower!!!! The critical side rollover angle of LR on portals also turned to be bigger: 43.3 degrees agains 42. For this parameter 1.3 deg is a big difference! Concerning turning radius everything is as predicted: stock axles - 6.0 meter, portals - 6.5 meter.
And in this way we measure the critical rollover angle:
And, of course, portals provide 6% less steering response, 20% less axeleration and 40% less maximum speed (in comparison with stock ones), but encrease offroad performance by 35-40%.
In our conditions, in deep ruts and swamps, every millimiter of ground clearance worth its weight in gold, but on the rocks belly clearance is much more important.
Quoted Kirisir over on another thread.
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Hi,Swiss jeeper...so...i am from slovenia(americans,slovenia is near swiss) and you americans must know that offroad there in europe is not same as in the USA...we have more technically maded races,so it means that a lot of times wins stock sammy with ARBīs and SIMEX 31īs and not some big wrangler with 500 HP and 44īs-itīs too big for our races...
so...buy the mogs
i will fit unimog 411 axles on my sammy,i will made my own suspension,arms will be self made,coils will be made specially for my car...discs will be i think from nissan patrol GR(from ī97 =>) and so on...there is not so much work,as a lot of peoples saying,but if you want to made full racing car,it takes a lot of time-so the all build-up takes a lot of time and NOT just the axles
about rims-i will make adaptor from unimog 8-lugs-to nissan 6-lugs-so i will fit stock rims from nissan to unimog axles ...

BTW:sorry for my bad english
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A guy in our club runs mogs under his TJ. Works very well. I don't have any build up pics but here's a couple trail ones. He runs the drum brakes with the mog pattern wheels.





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Here is a pic of my buddies CJ with mogs. The ride height is pretty low(he can drive under the carport with a couple inches of clearance) with good clearance all the way around. and he still has good flex.

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