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Old 02-22-2006, 03:45 PM   #1 (permalink)
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wagoneer Dana 44 help TJ...Just read if u know axles

alright, i have a stock dana 30 on my jeep, its a 2000 TJ. im upgrading a lot of stuff...i have a way to get a dana 44 off a Ruby but i hear its not that much better..its only the housing so ill use my stock dana 30 knuckles and brakes, and by cromly axle shafts if i go down that road...or i can do out and get a dana 44 off a wagoneer and find a way to get it to either stock 5x4.5 or 5x5.5 i need to go with either lug pattern due to my rear axle....i want to keep the stock 60wms i dont want to go full size due to the fact i dont like the look..but im going to run 37's and i have only have heavy foot when im in mudd....or in the sand... by the way i got a 8.8 off an explore in the rear and its 5x4.5 but i belive and correct me if im wrong but an 01 E150 has an 8.8 in the rear and its 5x5.5 so ill just get the axle shaft shorten and resplined..so should i go with the Ruby 44 build? or should i go with the wagonner build?
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Old 02-22-2006, 03:51 PM   #2 (permalink)
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the rubi 44 will be weaker, since it has stock dana 30 tubes and outers. It will also not have manual locking hubs.

On the other hand the waggie axle will cost alot, with a bracket kit and swapping the outers over to 5 on 5.5, and regearing (assuming that the rubi is geared correctly)

if you went with the waggie axle you could just get wheel spacer to go to 5 on 5.5, for the 8.8 rather than making custom shafts.

IMO go with the waggie 44, but be prepared to spend some money on all of the items listed above, for the waggie axle
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Old 02-22-2006, 03:55 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Get your flame suit on.

Waggy axles are 59.5 and there is no way to convert them to a 5 x 4.5 bolt circle without swapping to late-70s early-80s Dodge D44 drive flanges which suck IMO. Your best bet is a set of Waggy 44's out of a post '80 Wagoneer.

The E150 would either have an 8.8 or a 9.75 rear and have a bolt pattern of 5 x 135mm.

Try searching next time as this sort of question comes up a lot...in the newbie section.
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Old 02-22-2006, 04:51 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Waggy rear axles are ~59 (80+ that he would be after), but the front is 62". Perfect for a short jeep. Go with the waggy axle.
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Stick with the 30 front. YOU will never break it
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why convert front and rear to 5x4.5. keep the front 6 and get spacers or alloys in the rear to change it to 6
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Old 02-22-2006, 07:12 PM   #10 (permalink)
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You can order new rear shafts from moser withthe 6 bolt pattern to match the front or get ford 5.5" outers for the front and buy new shafts for the rear since the stock flange is not large enough for a 5.5" bolt pattern.
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Old 02-22-2006, 10:46 PM   #11 (permalink)
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i just did the waggy front n rear axles in mine i kept it all 6lug . sold the rear dana 44 to cover alot of the building costs of the new rear axle .. now if you keep the rear axle and use adaper / spacers you CANT go from 5 on 4.5 to 6 lug but you can go 5 on 4.5 to 5 on 5.5 and swap out the front waggy parts to make it 5 on 5.5 .. go with the waggy axle you can do more to it then the rubi axle ............
well to convert my waggy d44 to be coil sprung it was 307.00 for the bracket kit from a vendor on this board then another 175.00 for gears and install kit ...depends on how indepth your gonna go with it i also went flat tops & high steer arms , 1.5 dom tie rod , drag link with hiem joints and USA Alloy shafts warn premium hubs & a Power lock... i would guess i have about 1600.00 or more into my front axle..alot of these vendors on here have awesome deals ya just have to check around

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Aren't there other D44 applications that are already coil sprung??

I'd definately go with something custom - NOT the Rubicon D44 unless you can get one for next to nothing or free.

I would do some research and find out how much it'll cost you to get a Waggy 44 and convert it to coil spring.....and what all needs to be done.
Find out the total cost....If you're NOT doing the fabrication work yourself - it'll get expensive.

I would compare the above 'cost' with the cost of a NEW D44 from one of the axle companies like Currie (for instance). They'll be expensive but you can order anything you want and it'll bolt right in AND have a warrantee.
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Since you have more money than brains. Call currie, order axle, install.
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Old 02-23-2006, 08:03 AM   #14 (permalink)
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the r.e. brakets to convert any 44 to tj controlarm/coilsprings are all over ebay. IIRC they were less than $300. Seriously though, I have a freind that wheels hard in a tj with 36 tsl's and the 30 front has never given him any problems. How many times have you broken something on your front?
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Old 02-23-2006, 10:48 AM   #15 (permalink)
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.. now if you keep the rear axle and use adaper / spacers you CANT go from 5 on 4.5 to 6 lug...
Sure you can. MORE makes spacers/adapters that go from 5x4.5" to six lug. They're $250 for the pair and at least 2" wide (each). Not worth it, IMO, but it can be done.
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Old 02-23-2006, 02:39 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Opps, sorry, I read and I don't know about axles. Oh wait, neither do you.
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hmm when i called a place that makes adaptor to see about getting some they said the 6 lug shares a hole with the 5 on 4.5 and cant be made ..

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.. now if you keep the rear axle and use adaper / spacers you CANT go from 5 on 4.5 to 6 lug... ]


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Sure you can. MORE makes spacers/adapters that go from 5x4.5" to six lug. They're $250 for the pair and at least 2" wide (each). Not worth it, IMO, but it can be done.
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Is it possible to go from 5x4.5" to 6x5.5" ? How much would those be? How thick? Thanks again.

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It is possible to do an adapter for that but it is going to be a 2 piece adapter and would need to be at least 2” thick. The would run you $250 for a pair.

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There's a guy on this board that actually has these adapters on his jeep (can't remember his name). I'm not spouting off crap. They CAN BE MADE.
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yeah thats doubling adaptors to make it . its not possible to do it in a 1 piece ... who would want 2 inchs of adaptors anyway
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yeah thats doubling adaptors to make it . its not possible to do it in a 1 piece ... who would want 2 inchs of adaptors anyway
I didn't realize you were meaning one piece, I thought you were just saying it couldn't be done, period.

2" of adapters would suck, I agree. But some people have them.
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Seriously though, I have a freind that wheels hard in a tj with 36 tsl's and the 30 front has never given him any problems. How many times have you broken something on your front?
You must be joking right? We pull Jeeps with Broken D30s out of ditches, holes, hills, rocks all the time. There are all kinds of reason not to run that D30.

If it were me, I'd build the Waggy axle. I'd keep the 6 lug and buy stock replacement shafts for your rear that have 6 lug flanges. I think that will be your cheapest solution.

Look up MR. N. His website has all the info you'll ever need on D44 axles. Find a 74 to 76 waggy axle. It will already have flat top knuckles for high steer. You don't have to do that right off but you'll be happy you have them later when you decide to do high steer. You'll have to put new perches on it and make it a spring over too. I can get those axles for $200 up here in Oregon. I'm sure you can find one in a junkyard for $350.

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Old 03-01-2006, 05:17 PM   #22 (permalink)
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...Find a 74 to 76 waggy axle...
Lots of good advice in there, but for his application, I'd look for an 80+. Much easier to bolt flat top knuckles onto an 80+ axle then going through getting a new tcase, re-routing exhaust, and re-doing cross-members.
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thanks everyone...after talkin to some more people about it, im just going full 60 front and a 60 rear or 14bolt
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