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Old 04-17-2013, 08:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
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ok i was about to purchase a pair of axles : 78 ford dana 44 hp & ford 9 inch.. but im remembering that the 78 has the cast on wedges which is garbage for my purposes. the guy also has a low pinion 44 but gears aren't matching. cost/ best axlewise would i be better of getting the hp with wedges and re-tubing the housing or getting the low pinion and just regearing?( the lp dana 44 has flat top knuckles which is a bonus) opinions on the matter?

heres a pic of the three axles fyi theyre cheap... 200 for a pair
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heres the jeep theyre going under

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Personally I wouldn't put a low pinion axle upfront, but it's your jeep do what you want.
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i know i wouldnt prefer it but re tubing the other might not be worth the hassle
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hell i could modify the ford radius arms and put coils on the front. hmm
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from the looks of your rig... I would not do d44s at all.
Keep looking & go hp D60s or hp D60/14 bolt.
The 9 inch might be good depending on what?
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im not planing on running anything larger than 37's but youre right i should prolly hold off and get 60's thanks for the advice
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I like my low pinion 44 front as it keeps the driveshaft out of the starter. But since all of your new axles are drivers drop, that should be less of an issue for you.

If you are going big power (V8), a 44 will need upgraded shafts and the like. A 60 will hold up to that stock.

I am sticking with a low pinion 44 front for better clearance and lower weight, but I am going to be installing a Jana JK44 kit and load bolt kit.
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see then guys like TSwiss gotta go making me think twice... haha ive got a low ( and i mean stock hp ) sbc and a eb 44 in the front now and im pretty happy with how its worked and i havent even snap a stock axle ( jinxed now ill break one in a parking lot). hmmm proce is right if anything i could just re sell the set if something else comes up. thanks for the info TSwiss
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Id say just weld spring perches to the 78 bronco axle and be done with it. Thats what i am up to with a 95 im building. I have seen enough FSB's thrashing that cast wedged D44 with 35-38" tires and have not personally seen one split. not saying it wont happen, but honestly if it can live under a FSB with not the best driving habbits, why not under a lighter YJ. I am using the axle cause I couldnt pass up the price.

edit: also if your worried about it breaking you could allways truss the axle too.
heres what mine looks like currently
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You should inspect the wedges carefully, you can't tell with out taking the coil spring cups off the axle.

Then scrape the dirt out and look to see if they are two separate wedges welded on each end of the axle.

I had a 78 ford that had the good front end 44.
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Old 04-19-2013, 07:57 AM   #12 (permalink)
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radius arms?

i looked at the axle close it is for sure the one with the cast on wedges. ive looked thru a couple builds and theres a couple people that ran extended radius arms with joints instead of bushings on the frame end and coilovers and that has me thinking
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trkkler77 the nine" has 31 spline shafts.i know some came with 28 spline and with the dough i could swap 35 spline with a new carrier. does that make it worth anything or is it still a weak spot?
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It's a little tough to see, but I had a friend make me these. Stock radius arms with some DOM and Johnny Joints to make custom radius arms.

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It's a little tough to see, but I had a friend make me these. Stock radius arms with some DOM and Johnny Joints to make custom radius arms.

thats a pretty stout gmc man just looked over your thread . i just found a guy thats gunna help me re tube the 44 but well see if that falls through i might just give the raduis arms a try
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WW, what width wheels you running? How'd you balance them? Problems?

By the way I've just built a '77 F150 HP 44 housing to use the radius arms on my Jeep! Same tires as you-Cummins 4BT-ZF-NP205-AAM 11.5 rear----I've pounded on an EB 44 with a built 351 enuff that I'm comfortable running it with these components-esp now that I no longer drive that way

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a strong 3rd is cheap, if you are all ready spending enough money to get rid of shitty stock parts dont stop short, you will either bend the housing or blow the snout out of the 3rd.


now you have bought every thing new andspent $100 on 9" that you dont need.

stock 9"s are for cars.
are you saying to get a better third member? like true nine (about 2 grand setup) ? ive heard the currie hi9 isn't that much better. also heard it actually uses an 8.8 ring gear. is that true?
I was already think if I pent money on a locker for it I would get the 35 spline and 35 spline shafts as well...money I know gross. but like I said before finding a set of tons here is not easy I paid 200 and that was delivered to my door and the guy is hunting down the radius arms for me for free... I really appreciate everyone's input and telling me straight. alsio I plan on putting my bender to use and trussing the nine on top and bottom thanks for all the help
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WW, what width wheels you running? How'd you balance them? Problems?

By the way I've just built a '77 F150 HP 44 housing to use the radius arms on my Jeep! Same tires as you-Cummins 4BT-ZF-NP205-AAM 11.5 rear----I've pounded on an EB 44 with a built 351 enuff that I'm comfortable running it with these components-esp now that I no longer drive that way

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im using 16.5 x 9.5 5 on 5 and a half these are mothereffers are a b**** to mount... but they were free and that's right up my alley. lots of ether and a ratchet strap. I mounted I threw a small handful of airsoft bb's ( friend told me this would work) and to my surprise they ride pretty smooth for how heavy of a tire they are. they were stacked on eachother for a while so they compressed. I aired them up to 35 and ran them for about a week till I thought they were good . I most def will not be airing these down below 15 psi without double beadlocks.. I plan on hitting up trailworthy for a set of centers , some rock rings, and pvc inserts once I get my hands on some h1's then ill have no problem running them into the negative psi (trust me in Iraq we had a blow out and had to roll for about 15 miles with a flat) I might try grooving them and see if that helps at all as well

also I just did an 8 hour road trip in the heep with these tires and road ad 65 no problemo

- sorry for the essay... essay
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WW, what width wheels you running? How'd you balance them? Problems?

By the way I've just built a '77 F150 HP 44 housing to use the radius arms on my Jeep! Same tires as you-Cummins 4BT-ZF-NP205-AAM 11.5 rear----I've pounded on an EB 44 with a built 351 enuff that I'm comfortable running it with these components-esp now that I no longer drive that way

Just my 2
i forgot to mention I was kidding about using " a small handful " of bb's I used this chart do figure out how much I needed and used a small dru.. kitchen*** scale to weigh them out
http://www.innovativebalancing.com/chart.htm
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im using 16.5 x 9.5 - sorry for the essay... essay


NEVER apologize for giving me a detailed answer! I just picked up a set of 9.75" slots last week as I truly love that look and think they'll really go well with my DJ'ish themed front. BUT, I too am on the lookout for a "local" set of 12 bolt H1s. I think being able to air down around town would really help the ride in a flyweight like a Jeep. Maybe I could find a set of fat 33s with a road pattern to put on the slots for trips!


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I has some wheels like that on my 63 ford fairlane in high school! old school haha.


but I found a dana 44 hp out of a 77 fullsize so no more re tube or need to run those radius arms! sale pending to see if some damn 60s pop up for under 2 grand in the area
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