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Old 01-29-2019, 10:04 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Ideal steering for SOA YJ,

F250 D44, waggy SOA so gonna move the axle forward 2" with the 1" foward steering box mount. Anybody's past experience, which of these is the ideal setup? https://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billa...ngresearch.htm
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Don't have YJ specific experience, but it can't be that much different than a CJ. I went high steer cross over waggy soa and have no regrets. I used sky manufacturing tall arms to get the tie rod up away from the springs and closer to level with the drag link. Been awesome. Used WFO concepts for custom made to order length .219" wall X 1.25" diam threaded tie rod/drag link. Very happy with all of it.
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Didn't have frame hitting drag link issues?
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Didn't have frame hitting drag link issues?
I did a Waggy front D44 on my CJ7 with flat top knuckles and the tie rod & draglink on top of the steering arms. Never had a problem with the drag link hitting the frame.
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Don't have YJ specific experience, but it can't be that much different than a CJ. I went high steer cross over waggy soa and have no regrets. I used sky manufacturing tall arms to get the tie rod up away from the springs and closer to level with the drag link. Been awesome. Used WFO concepts for custom made to order length .219" wall X 1.25" diam threaded tie rod/drag link. Very happy with all of it.
I did exactly this. I used a flat waggy pitman arm. I was using 1.5 springs. About the same height as saggy springs.
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I did exactly this. I used a flat waggy pitman arm. I was using 1.5 springs. About the same height as saggy springs.
Yep, I used a flat waggy pitman arm too. It was redrilled for the large, high angle GM double pivot drag link ends.

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Didn't have frame hitting drag link issues?
Never had a problem hitting frame with draglink or tie rod. My rig is a little on the tall side, so I have that problem instead. I get a buttload of flex.



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On the Bill Vista link. The bottom picture........crossover........is the correct way to go on a dual purpose rig. DL to a passenger HS arm. TR to the cast in arms on the knuckle.

The pitman arm length and the DL to ball joint length should be the same or close to the same to keep steering angle.

Mounting the TR to the knuckle arm preserves Ackerman and adds to straight line stability. If you running a ram than this type of mounting will also help with TR roll.

Look up and grasp what Scrub Radius is. Measure your Scrub Radius and fit wheels with correct backspacing based on your SR number.

If your game, bumping up the torsion bar in the steering box is another worthwhile mod.

Play with toe and don't be afraid to set it outside of what most consider specs. Like 0 or even a little toed out.
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On the Bill Vista link. The bottom picture........crossover........is the correct way to go on a dual purpose rig. DL to a passenger HS arm. TR to the cast in arms on the knuckle.

The pitman arm length and the DL to ball joint length should be the same or close to the same to keep steering angle.

Mounting the TR to the knuckle arm preserves Ackerman and adds to straight line stability. If you running a ram than this type of mounting will also help with TR roll.

Look up and grasp what Scrub Radius is. Measure your Scrub Radius and fit wheels with correct backspacing based on your SR number.

If your game, bumping up the torsion bar in the steering box is another worthwhile mod.

Play with toe and don't be afraid to set it outside of what most consider specs. Like 0 or even a little toed out.
How tall a high steer arm should I use? I'm seeing there's different heights
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You only need to clear the frame at full compression and the spring anytime else.

Parallel to the ground at ride height is idea but not as critical as other suspension types. Concentrate on keeping the DL out of harms way as the suspension cycles.
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How tall a high steer arm should I use? I'm seeing there's different heights
It really depends on your setup. If the front on the spring is up and the back is lower you’ll need taller arms to clear the springs. In my build I kept my front spring hanger and rear close to the same and I’m still running skys tall arms. You can see in my photo I have a ton of clearance above my springs. This is with 1.5” springs and no weight.
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Im running re 1445s 1.5 springs and have drivetrain in these photos. My perches are level to the ground.
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Thats probably close to what mine will look like with waggys SOA, so basically set up everything then determine what my clearance is. Got it, thanx guys
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