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Old 06-28-2019, 07:07 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Waggy D44 into CJ7 - more questions.

I've been searching this site (plus a few others) and now I'm having a data overload problem.

I am using a '75 Wagoneer front & a '91 Wagoneer rear. Both 6-lug. Of course my CJ is 5-lug.

When performing this swap, is it worthy to switch to 5-lug, or buy new rims? I've read that swapping to 5-lug will cause the front axle to gain additional width. Don't want that. Also trying to determine what type of rear disk brake/parking brake system is most reliable?

Do the OEM Wagoneer shock mounting brackets work correctly for a CJ7, or do the mounts need to be removed & relocated?

Still trying to finalize traction device decisions. Full time Locker? Selectable Locker? True-Track? Any reports on the cable operated OX Locker? Has the early reliability problems with the Eaton E-Track been resolved?

Any advice on outboarding the front spring mounts? I have found a few kits & I see where separate components are available. Trying to decide upon shackle reversal, or not. Will be spring under with approximately 4" lift & 33"-35" tires.

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Here’s a link to a build thread some good pictures of how he outboarded everything.

Beware that you may have tire rubbing issues on the springs at full lock depending on tire size and back spacing.

https://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/jeep...forever-4.html

Edit personally. I’d keep it 6 lug. Too big of a pain to convert the rear easily.
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Here’s a link to a build thread some good pictures of how he outboarded everything.

Beware that you may have tire rubbing issues on the springs at full lock depending on tire size and back spacing.

https://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/jeep...forever-4.html

Edit personally. I’d keep it 6 lug. Too big of a pain to convert the rear easily.
Thanks. Just looked through that thread. Plenty of Bad-Arsery in that build!

Been comparing these two kits:
https://davescustomsunlimited.com/je...idth-axle-kit/
https://www.motobilt.com/product/jee...conversion_kit

I had originally planned to reverse the front shackle mounts, but have recently heard a few negatives. Both have some pro's & cons. I want to do this once.
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Thanks. Just looked through that thread. Plenty of Bad-Arsery in that build!

Been comparing these two kits:
https://davescustomsunlimited.com/je...idth-axle-kit/
https://www.motobilt.com/product/jee...conversion_kit

I had originally planned to reverse the front shackle mounts, but have recently heard a few negatives. Both have some pro's & cons. I want to do this once.
The pros of shackle forward are. Easier to get lower ride height. Supposedly climbs better. Cons supposedly rides rougher and if you hit something on the front shackle you can invert the shackle and bend a spring. I have seen the later myself.

The pros of shackle reversal are better ride and shackle won’t invert. Cons is when you anchor the brakes the Jeep will nose dive more. I know mine did more than phorunna’s. My springs were more parallel with the ground. His the front mounts were closer to the frame and it didn’t seem to nose dive like mine. Also tire will travel back and possibly hit the fender. And especially in spring over configuration when the front tires say get over a ledge and you back up you can pull the front driveline apart. So a long slip is necessary and is added cost.

For me the spring possibly getting inverted is the reason I run shackle reversal on my Cj.
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