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Old 10-17-2019, 10:04 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Hey, ruffstuff is having a sale on their link kits
For some reason, the Minister of Finance at my house doesn't see the value that could be added by trailing arms, coilovers, and bypasses. We're still in negotiations, but it's not looking good.
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Old 10-17-2019, 10:06 AM   #27 (permalink)
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For some reason, the Minister of Finance at my house doesn't see the value that could be added by trailing arms, coilovers, and bypasses. We're still in negotiations, but it's not looking good.


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Old 10-17-2019, 10:24 AM   #28 (permalink)
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For some reason, the Minister of Finance at my house doesn't see the value that could be added by trailing arms, coilovers, and bypasses. We're still in negotiations, but it's not looking good.
I was actually just kidding cause I read it in your post, but I'm sure you knew that.
Honest comment would be, don't do it, because you already have a plan in action. Moving the spring mounts will work exactly as needed.





Now you can always pickup a link kit for phase 2
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I was actually just kidding cause I read it in your post, but I'm sure you knew that.
Honest comment would be, don't do it, because you already have a plan in action. Moving the spring mounts will work exactly as needed.





Now you can always pickup a link kit for phase 2
I agree. I'm trying to get everything done for KoH in February and I shouldn't be jimmy jacking around with the rear suspension... The hard part is everything is all stripped down right now and ready to go and going 60 mph through the whoops sounds like it would be a pretty good time. It doesn't help that every friend who comes over to drink beer and stare at it has to go and talk about links. Then just when I was talking myself back into leaf springs, I get that stupid ruffstuff email on my phone. ugh.
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Old 10-17-2019, 07:47 PM   #30 (permalink)
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For some reason, the Minister of Finance at my house doesn't see the value that could be added by trailing arms, coilovers, and bypasses. We're still in negotiations, but it's not looking good.
Motobilt has some awfully nice and beefy spring hangers for a very reasonable price. Those are the hangers I used front and rear.
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Old 10-18-2019, 05:15 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Tell her it's for safety. Leaf springs are dangerous at speed.
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Old 10-18-2019, 09:27 AM   #32 (permalink)
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But RuffStuff offers financing now. Surely the Minister of Finance will appreciate your fiscal responsibility
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But RuffStuff offers financing now. Surely the Minister of Finance will appreciate your fiscal responsibility
yeah, she loves it when I incur debt and interest payments on my rusty pile of depreciating assets in the driveway.

Motobilt kit should get here Tuesday. Hoping to get it tacked up next week and see what happens.




Question for all you leaf spring smart people: the bolt size for my beater 63" chevy springs is bigger than the bolt size for my stock hanger up front(and most likely my fancy new motobilt hangers out back). What does everyone do for this? Drill out the hangers or struggle with pressing out the bushings and find some that are a smaller size?
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Old 10-18-2019, 10:44 AM   #34 (permalink)
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Tell her it will make it more stable and be safer. Tell her coil overs are cool. Tell her to make you a sandwich.
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yeah, she loves it when I incur debt and interest payments on my rusty pile of depreciating assets in the driveway.

Motobilt kit should get here Tuesday. Hoping to get it tacked up next week and see what happens.




Question for all you leaf spring smart people: the bolt size for my beater 63" chevy springs is bigger than the bolt size for my stock hanger up front(and most likely my fancy new motobilt hangers out back). What does everyone do for this? Drill out the hangers or struggle with pressing out the bushings and find some that are a smaller size?
I'd drill those hangers out in a heartbeat rather then try to burn out and install new leaf spring bushings. What shape are the bushings in?
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I'd drill those hangers out in a heartbeat rather then try to burn out and install new leaf spring bushings. What shape are the bushings in?
Junkyard shitty.
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Old 10-18-2019, 11:52 AM   #37 (permalink)
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Iíd say run it. Unless theyíre super rotted and itís allowing the bushing sleeve to move around too much. You can always grab a set and replace them
on the lake bed if needed.
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Iíll go against the grain and vote for changing bushings to polyurethane while the springs are out.
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Iíd say run it. Unless theyíre super rotted and itís allowing the bushing sleeve to move around too much. You can always grab a set and replace them
on the lake bed if needed.
Oh man. I'm going to try and limit the number of lakebed repairs necessary this year. It really cut into happy hour.

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Old 10-21-2019, 06:49 PM   #41 (permalink)
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*Ahem*....do those pictures show work being done in a collectable airstream trailer? Surely the Minister of Finance would frown upon that.
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Old 10-22-2019, 01:11 PM   #42 (permalink)
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*Ahem*....do those pictures show work being done in a collectable airstream trailer? Surely the Minister of Finance would frown upon that.
WHAT? I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF HOW GOOD MY ARB WORKS NOW.

Oh yeah and if you know anyone who wants to buy one of those fancy airstreams, it's for sale. I need something to tow my junk.
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Old 10-23-2019, 10:29 AM   #43 (permalink)
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Got motobilt YJ rear stretch kit last night. Hoping this will help get my springs where they need to bed.






I'm also hoping I'll be able to fit my genright TJ tank under there now that the shackles are being relocated to the bumper. So now comes decision time:

Weld bumper straight to cross-member so I can keep the tabs that the gas tank bolts to and make my life easy or...

Cut the cross-member out, weld in the bumper and figure out how to make new tabs for the tank to bolt to.
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Old 10-24-2019, 08:00 AM   #44 (permalink)
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I think I would tack that Motobuilt bracket on the rear frame crossmember, and mock up the shackles to see what the angle looks like. I may be wrong, but it doesn't look like your shackle angle will be "correct" unless the Motobuilt braket is moved forward, or the front spring hangers are moved rearward.
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I looks too long now. I hate to say this, but it almost looks like it would be perfect with the shackle mounted directly under the body mount.
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I looks too long now. I hate to say this, but it almost looks like it would be perfect with the shackle mounted directly under the body mount.
Or move the front mount forward.
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Or move the front mount forward.
dont you mean backward? the shackle looks like it would going up towards the rear versus a forward lean allowing a forward swing( aka flex)
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dont you mean backward? the shackle looks like it would going up towards the rear versus a forward lean allowing a forward swing( aka flex)
The front spring hanger on the spring that solid mounted to the frame. If you moved it forward it would correct the shackle angle.

I kind of did this on my lj stretch. So it gave me some room to not run an expensive comp tank and if I wanted to run a 14 bolt in the back I could.
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The front spring hanger on the spring that solid mounted to the frame. If you moved it forward it would correct the shackle angle.

I kind of did this on my lj stretch. So it gave me some room to not run an expensive comp tank and if I wanted to run a 14 bolt in the back I could.
ah you mean if he keeps the stock position
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Pulled rear shackles just to see where it wants to sit on its own weight with nothing in the way. Doesn't look too good considering I want to move everything another 4" rearward.


I could go hunting for some other springs with an offset centering pin. F150 are like 31/25, Dodge Dakota are 32/24, these chevys are 32/32 for reference. I think the Dakota spring would let me run the stock hanger location out back. I have a buddy running those in his YJ with a similar lift. He had to make a bastard pack out of two sets of Dakota springs to get the jeep to ride level.


The more I think about how much effort it will take to find the right leaf springs and pick the right mount, the more I think I want to link it out back.

Leafs:
Pros
cheap
simple to setup
already have bypasses for rear

Cons
No matter what I'm moving the stock hanger location back (I really want my axle farther back than it currently is).
I'll either have to ditch my tire carrier/hilift mount/antenna mount rear bumper and run the motobilt alternative or I'll have to ditch my TJ genright tank and use the stock rear hanger location.
axle wrap(I already bent a set of springs due to this)

Links:
Pros
Handles nice if setup right, no axle wrap
Can run TJ tank
Get to keep current bumper/tire carrier
Nice departure angle
Minister of Finance approved after asking me what I was doing staring at my jeep in the driveway for an hour.

Cons
Harder to setup properly
More expensive
I need some coilovers
Need to add truss to rear axle
Could take longer to get done


I really want this thing ready to go for KOH. I've got 96 days... or 13 weekends. There's stuff like christmas and thanksgiving and my wife's birthday where it's frowned upon to be working on your jeep instead of saying grace at the dinner table. hmmmm...

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