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Old 04-15-2008, 05:15 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question dual spool DD

I got another project that we're trying to build on the cheep cheep. It's a "TJ" with 78 bronco running gear, 300 six,t-18, 205, front 44 rear 9". Since this is a low budget beater rig, I can't really think of any downsides to a full spool front and rear. It's got locking hubs up front so the front spool should be negated on the street. This thing is for the mud and rocks so reliable is most important.
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Old 04-15-2008, 05:28 PM   #3 (permalink)
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It will be a real PITA to turn in the rocks with a front spool. Some people run front spools but they are also running all Hydro steering. And thier rigs are purely off road machines.

Driving around town will be interesting with a rear spool. But if its a pure off road rig, you should be fine. Might want to think about upgrading your front steering setup to turn that front spooled axle.

But I am kinda jealous you got the ford 300 6!! you suck. Im a real fan of inline 6 performance. that motor you got is a stump killer. Throw a turbo on that mammoth and you will be eating BBC equipped rigs all day long hands down!! Read my thread. You'll see what i mean!
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Old 04-15-2008, 05:44 PM   #4 (permalink)
 
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Sounds interesting. I think a low buck rig is a good idea. You got some cool parts & pieces. Have any pics yet?
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I found the pig upside down at the wreckers, liberated the axles, flipped it over and pirated the motor tranny t case, I may do a 4 barrel intake and a header but for now, I'll play cheap.

The hydro set up I'll look into later if I got problems with steering, being stubborn is fun.
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Old 04-15-2008, 06:55 PM   #6 (permalink)
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My sami was welded rear and had a detroit up front. I don't believe my detroit EVER unlocked. I didn't mind driving the welded rear on the street, it was predictable. It always understeered, not a biggie. I say weld 'em both and run it, you can always upgrade the steering if it is too hard to turn.
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Old 04-15-2008, 09:32 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Had the rear ARB get stuck in the locked position for awhile. Ruined a pair of tires in no time.
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I have spool in my rig and run it on the street all the time. It is not my DD but it is hard on the tires. I had a Detroit in it, but I thought it was pretty squirrely on off ramps and the like. The shortwheel base trucks are more predictable with a spool. The best option is a selectable, but low budget and ARB do not fit in the same sentence. As far as the front, no problem until you get on the trail and have a tight turn. I can see that being a little more of an issue. But, this is what reverse is for.
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Old 04-16-2008, 05:24 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I prefer a spool in the rear over a automatic locker. Selectable is the best.
The spool will react the same under all circumstances. The detroit is sensative to throttle in turns and wet.

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I say Bah to tire wear, I'm going to run those nice used michelins, $500 for a set of 4. If I have to go to 2-Lo to make a turn so be it. Cheap = more fun.
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what size of tire do you plan on running? what do you plan to do with your existing carrier? i might be interested if the price is right...this would actually add to your budget.
for cheap, yes a fool spool fits this category, but a mini spool is cheaper and welded spiders are even cheaper.
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It's the stock open carrier with 3.50 gears, useless to me, whats the easiest way to ship it to you from Canada? I've suffered catastrophic failure with welded gears, lost a good 10 bolt rear(barf) had moderate success in real axles but still, no like the welded spiders.
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Old 04-17-2008, 11:49 AM   #13 (permalink)
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weld em both and dont look back.i have run a couple rigs this way. you get looked at funny pulling out of the gas station, when your tires are chirpin, but that is all.
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Old 04-18-2008, 03:27 AM   #14 (permalink)
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im running spools front and rear.... cant tell ya how it works though still waiting on new axle shafts so i can take it out and run it.
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If notthing else you can run them spooled f/r since from the sounds of it its only a trail rig not something you need to DD. Or if you want to spend a few bucks put a lunchbox locker like an Aussie or Lockrite up front in 2wd you will never know its there and even when the hubs are locked it will be easier to turn in the rocks.
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My cj-7 is welded up front and rear and so far im pretty happy with the deal, it was cheap and works well, I welded the spiders in the stock axles and added one piece molly shafts out back but if it blows ohh well I have an excuse to get some real axles under it. I am building the jeep on the cheap so I dont feel so bad if anything breaks and the welded spiders fit well into that plan.

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These things are GREAT. Locked under power, unlocked when your not.
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We had an argument in the shop today about running dual spools. I say that running a front spool climbing rocks is the same as a locker. Under power the locker is solid like a spool. There is no way that I could think of that would allow it to disengage or coast when crawling. The rear spool will just be super predictable at all times. I figure go simple, no air lines, power or cables to lock the front just run a full spool.
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We had an argument in the shop today about running dual spools. I say that running a front spool climbing rocks is the same as a locker. Under power the locker is solid like a spool. There is no way that I could think of that would allow it to disengage or coast when crawling. The rear spool will just be super predictable at all times. I figure go simple, no air lines, power or cables to lock the front just run a full spool.
10-4 good buddy. Like I said above, I don't think my front locker EVER unlocked. Weld it and call 'er good.
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driving daily on the street with a fool spooled rear end is a good way to break axle shafts...i was told. this is why i am looking for a 31 spline 9" carrier.
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Break a stock 31 spline 9" axle shaft, pfft, if I break one I'll spring for alloys, maybe 35 spline. I"d rather bust on a nice flat clean street than in the rocks or god forbid a mud pit.
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These things are GREAT. Locked under power, unlocked when your not.
x2!! I have ran into a bunch of people on the trail using them and I have had on in my DD TJ for years and have done some pretty tough trails and it has been stout! easy to install, cheap, and reliable.... cant ask for much more
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