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Old 04-24-2008, 09:35 AM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Goodyear MTR's versus BFG Mud terrain

Looking for new tires. Looking at Goodyear MTR's and the BFG Mud Terrains not the new BFG Mud KM2.

Anyone have experience with both. Looking for a tire for loose dirt/rock and rocks. The only reason asking is because i can get the BFG's for $20 tires less.

I know the MTR's have reputaion (good) with the jeeps guys.

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Old 04-24-2008, 10:14 AM   #2 (permalink)
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personally i prefer the MTRs. i have had both and the big lugs on the BFGs did not grip on ice at all. but you dont have to deal with that, so go with the cheaper ones.
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Old 04-24-2008, 02:19 PM   #3 (permalink)
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MTRs where not very impressive for me. My wheeling is mostly wet, muddy rock.
Lots of guys out west love them, and they do seem to work well in dry rocks.
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Old 04-24-2008, 02:49 PM   #4 (permalink)
 
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I've been running BFG Mud Terrain for several years now. I'm in Az so the wheeling is similar to sourthern cal. I've been happy overall with the tires. From what I've seen, I think the MTRs get a little better traction on the rocks but the difference is minimal. If money was no object I would say go with the MTRs. If your tight on funds, then go with BFG.

For moderate wheeling, you really can't go wrong with either tire.
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Old 04-24-2008, 07:49 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I have BFG MTs 33x12.5 on 10" wheels on a YJ. MTRs on a stock Rubi 25k miles on them. I use them mostly at the sand dunes. On the road the MTRs are noisy. They cup severly and need to be rotated often. The BFGs have a quieter and smoother ride. But they are run at only 20 psi which is ideal for them. At the dunes the BFGs excel. Cant wait to get rid of the MTRs . Havent had the MTRs in the mud so Icant give an honest opinion on that.
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Old 04-24-2008, 11:30 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I've had MTRs on my Jeep for a couple of months and a couple of trail runs. I'm ditching them as quickly as possible.

In a 15" wheel size, the load rating is C with a 3-ply sidewall. A couple of weeks ago, I blew a hole in my sidewall...on the highway! I could stick my finger in the hole and see just how paper thin the sidewall was.

I'm getting some Maxxis Bighorns in a 16" size. These have a D rating with 8 plies. Some tire manufacturers offer an E rating with 10 plies.

So I'm sure that MTRs would be fine in a 16" or 17" size with a higher load rating. Just not in a 15" size.
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I have had 33 inch BFGs and now on 35 inch MTRs. The MTRs have a much softer rubber compound that helps on the rocks. So for So Cal its perfect IMO. Although they do wear out faster than BFGs. I had no problem on my BFGs, I just had a great deal on the MTRs. If you are going to be on the street most of the time then go with BFG. But I love my MTRs so far on my DD/trail rig:
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I went through two sets of BFG MTs. Great traction in local conditions, poor treadlife (expected). Unfortunately, I destroyed one tire beyond repair on each set: on the street both times. Both times punctures through the tread. Very dissapointing. I've had multiple sets of BFG ATs on different vehicles over the years and had no issues at all with flats, wear etc...

I have BFG ATs on the CJ right now, as it sees about 50/50 on/off road, with some occasional rocks. Not much mud to deal with locally. No issues at all. I'm strongly considering the Goodyear MTRs for the next tire purchase, based on performance and experience with the guys I wheel with.

The new BFG MT might be different story altogether, I'm told the carcass is totally different from the old MT. Too bad there's no 15" yet. Hmm... could be an excuse for new wheels.
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I have seen the KM2s in action and they perform rather well! I hope to hear good things in the future about these tires
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I'm going to seriously consider the new KM2s when they come out. The old BFG MTs look like an MT should, but the sidewalls leave a lot to be desired. I remember plugging a set of 35s with a screwdriver and some silicon and it stayed that way for 6 months. I have Mickey Thompson MTZs now, and while the sidewall is strong, and they grip like nobody's business, the rocks are chewing them up really bad.
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I've had MTRs on my Jeep for a couple of months and a couple of trail runs. I'm ditching them as quickly as possible.

In a 15" wheel size, the load rating is C with a 3-ply sidewall. A couple of weeks ago, I blew a hole in my sidewall...on the highway! I could stick my finger in the hole and see just how paper thin the sidewall was.

I'm getting some Maxxis Bighorns in a 16" size. These have a D rating with 8 plies. Some tire manufacturers offer an E rating with 10 plies.

So I'm sure that MTRs would be fine in a 16" or 17" size with a higher load rating. Just not in a 15" size.
Don't want to burst your bubble, but NO radial tires actually have 8 or 10 plies. They are 8 or 10 ply rated -- 8 = Load Range D, 10 = Load range E.

MT/R's have 3 actual plies and a compound designed to resist cuts. Many other of the serious off road tires have 3 plies. As load ratings (ply ratings) go up, the sidewall cords typically get larger.

I believe the bighorns are only 2 actual plies.
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As load ratings (ply ratings) go up, the sidewall cords typically get larger.

No, not bursting my bubble. I am the furthest thing from a tire engineer.

But basically what I was saying is what you said above. As you move from a C to a D or E load rating, the sidewalls are stronger.

I've seen firsthand how thin the sidewalls are on a C rated MTR. I've also seen how much thicker the sidewall is on a D rated Bighorn and an E rated Toyo Open Country MT.

That's all I'm basing my choice on, after talking to some people who know about tire technology. A lot of that just went over my head though.

This was on a 33x12.50x15 MTR with a C load rating and less than 300 miles. Not exactly confidence inspiring...


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the only thing i couldnt stand about the gy's was the weak sidewall...i tore 3 or 4 in the time i owned em
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By jeepdaddy, shot with C740UZ at 2008-04-19

i'm quite happy with my mtr's . i had a set of 285/75r16MTR'S on my superduty- got almost 40,000 mile(about 4 tire rotations) out of em !!


i've rip holes in sidewalls of swamper radials and pro-comp's before - haven't killed a mtr so far

i've had many bfg's in the past and liked em , i just like the mtr better
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