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Old 02-16-2019, 02:33 AM   #626 (permalink)
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Glad you kept so much of the original bumper as suits these.
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Old 02-16-2019, 03:43 AM   #627 (permalink)
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That rear bumper came out beautiful. Nice work
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Old 02-16-2019, 07:44 AM   #628 (permalink)
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Front bumper fit's perfectly with the truck.

If the winch billet pieces were finned and silver it would look strait out of the 40's.

The frame is turning orange
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Old 02-16-2019, 09:18 AM   #629 (permalink)
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Very Nice JR! The bumper looks Willys factory optioned.
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Old 02-16-2019, 09:22 AM   #630 (permalink)
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Front bumper fit's perfectly with the truck.

If the winch billet pieces were finned and silver it would look strait out of the 40's.

The frame is turning orange
My OCD has been all over this and will have a cover fab'd to emulate that. Hey the orange is the new black. MAGA
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Old 02-20-2019, 01:18 PM   #631 (permalink)
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This is how I tackled mounting the seats. The outside mounts were filled in for aesthetics but since you won't see the inside ones, they were left open. They're still plenty strong.
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Old 02-21-2019, 09:51 AM   #632 (permalink)
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I wish someone could figure out a way to get the front seat to move further up. I have that problem also in my LJ. Something like a full pull-out drawer slide. JR would just be the guy to figure that out...If he didn't have 300 more things to finish. I get it.

In my backyard I have a '46 wagon project languishing for movement. To solve the seat problem, I bought '73ish Monte Carlo rotating seats that solved this problem. Turned at a 45*, they were pretty easy to pass, and store goodies. They would also make a easier entry with a lifted truck.

As another thought, I bought a Ambulance rotating passenger seat from Sportmobile, I believe, for my E350 4x4 van. That might work well also as has both front-to-back and rotating movement. Actually, I think I would prefer those over the Monte Carlos'. And look at one for the LJ.

The Recaro seats are nice as they are thin and would miss the low console. In my case I move the seat forward to miss that on rotation.

Funny how much of an idea generator these threads are. Especially when someone like JR drills the fab down to simple elegance.

Edit: Here is the web site for the base. $300, which seems alot but it is done, and extremely sturdy. The seat does not flop around like some rotating mechanisms. The lever is pulled and seat rotated to drop into the reversed notch. When I bought mine. They were not really approved as a secure base. Seems like that has been tested reliable now for quick stops. There is also a driver side but I have not messed with that. It looks to swivel around a different rear pivot to miss the steering wheel. ($550 pr)

https://www.sportsmobilestore.com/fo...vel-seat-base/
Another https://www.amazon.com/Swivel-Seat-B.../dp/B06XXJZR8Y
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Apologies for cluttering the build thread, but so many are watching for ideas, and I just saw the light!!

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Old 02-22-2019, 07:45 AM   #633 (permalink)
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ISDTBower, Hopefully soon your 1946 wagon build thread will grace the pages of the willys forum!

I spent a lot of time looking at new and used seat options and saw the swivel bases you mentioned looking at mounting hadware.This swivel base might be just what you are looking for half the price in stainless.

https://www.westmarine.com/buy/sprin...91?recordNum=2

Otherwise the low profile sparco tilt base is an option.

https://frsport.com/sparco-00494-base-tilt

Originally was going for a bench to emulate the original look where the passenger side flips up and not block the view of the wood slats. Then the reality of road trips and aging back syndrome were deciding factors.

Narrowed it down to a few seat frame manufacturers but for the price the recarros were hard to beat.Other factors that you pointed out with regards to getting passengers in the back was thickness of the seat back.
Manual controls for lumbar and adj are preferable (weight savings and long term reliability) so the expert m were a great fit.

Other contenders were Dodge Ram SRT10 single cab, e30 or 80s Flo-Fit style fox mustang, turbo tbird, ranger seats but couldn't find any for the price or condition in the time frame.

Got my seats from longest lived Recarro dealer on the west coast Terry Griffin @
Griffin Motorwerke | Product and Service Specialists | Milltek Sport Exhaust | Recaro Seats | BBS Wheels | Stoptech Brakes |

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Old 02-22-2019, 06:26 PM   #634 (permalink)
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My seats are electric. They tilt forward but it's a pain to run it all the way forward and back, so I just have rear seat passengers step through between the seats. There's at least 8" between my front seats.
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Old 03-09-2019, 03:16 PM   #635 (permalink)
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It gets a roll cage. The harness bar is meant to be removable or at least, swung out of the way. The cage is tig welded 1-3/4" x .120" chromoly.
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Old 03-09-2019, 03:21 PM   #636 (permalink)
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A pre-bumper/clevis anchor was also added. It's all made from 4130.
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The cage came out great! Arrived sleep deprived and sick as a dog to operate JRs wah pedal while he was finalizing the welds on the cage with the torch

The parameters for the cage were keeping the cage as hidden as possible and be functional. This meant lining up the tube of the a b c pillars as best as possible to not obstruct the sight line to the garnish mouldings. The upper part of the cage will be hidden under the head liner and will post some detailed examples.

The pre bumper is an additional little separation in case I need to push something but also to be the furthest point of the bumper in the event of throttlitis maximus
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Old 03-10-2019, 01:33 AM   #638 (permalink)
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Looking good.
I have also noticed that you tapered the fender supports that curve down the side of the grille. Was that for more tyre clearance or aesthetics?
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Tom and I were able to put together a "Meet and Greet." The Wagon build is intended to be a "Take no Prisoners" build. From suspension clips, to drivetrain clips, and now the bodywork. And bodywork is probably not the best word as the details behind the skin will be amazing. It would be really interesting to hear Tom and JR together. Building on each others ideas and visions.

This is almost a labor of love, as it could burn out both striving for awesome.

Glad the fun is continuing. We will have a lot to live up to when following in these footsteps.
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Today the body and chassis were separated and the chassis was painted brown
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Love this. Back in the 70s and 80s I had a 48 Willys SW with a 283 Chevy. Flat front. Willys-Overland script on rear bumper. Wish I still had it.
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Battery box is vaguely remember putting that blue tape there

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Nice choice on the battery's.
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Nice choice on the battery's.
Specs are pretty impressive.

TP-1500
Cranking Amps: 1500 CCA: 800
Amp/Hrs @ C/20 Rate: 57

and a CAN-bus solid state master relay battery isolator

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Good tech on the battery isolator instead of traditional in-cab switch. $400 though.. Thanks.
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So what are the advantages of the fancy relay versus something like the Bluesea battery switch?

Why the need for CAN? If it's off, theoretically there would be no power to the CAN system. Or am I missing something?
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Honestly I'm new to the whole CAN-bus language but seems similar to ODBII and its something Chris recommended as the blue sea switch was originally in the mix before this came out. The F88 ecu/pdu/pcs shifter are all CAN-bus and looking at the spec sheet it will diagnose anything in the system and if an over voltage event were to occur gets reported on the D4 display in the gauge cluster or an idiot light.

It's not like I'll be able to plug a scanner into this thing other than a laptop to tune or diagnose so it seems worth the investment in my rolling 401

From the spec sheet.
CAN-bus messaging for logging, diagnostics and safetyReason for shut down (internal or external switch, over current, over temperature, CAN command to shut down etc)Current passing through Master RelayVoltage at Master RelayVoltage at BatteryShut down command for other devices on CAN.

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I also asked that KISS question as I am not "planning" on any CanBus

I was going to bring a big wire into the dash for an amp meter and the Blue Sea switch with main and alternator wire. Autometer made me a special ammeter but only 100 amps in a 2 5/8". Well that seems too little now and why I am going with the ring around the alternator wire style (Cobalt series digital only in AutoM. +/- 200amps) Real race cars have used a mechanical rod to open and close these mechanical switches "outside" for decades.

Here is a more "standard solid state approved switch." Cartek. It breaks the negative side of the battery plus effectively killing the fuel pump, ECM, and ignition from the alternator. A light flashes disconnect codes. Cautions were disconnect for any chassis welding and disconnect battery for extended non-use. $400ish That right there is probably reasoning for "old school."

https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/pr...sp?RecID=11466
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Ben,

Thanks for the MSEL video! Not sure if you knew the whole ECU/PDU the wagon is running integrates this isolator quite nicely. I totally agree with the KISS principle however I'm way beyond that now as there isn't even a fuse box or relays in this system



Similar to the microprocessors I design by day this screen shot from Chris' work station show the configuration of logic functions/delays for wiring up a trophy truck chassis. This eliminates relays fuses and simplifies the chassis wiring. For example instead of using a PWM (pulse width modulator) controller for a cooling fan that function is created using these logic functions and programmed into the PDU.

https://www.analog.com/en/analog-dia...fan-speed.html

https://wiki.analog.com/university/c...dth-modulation

This is what the PDU offers
The PDU32 sets an extremely high level of precision power management control. The micro processor controlled unit incorporates power switching, monitoring and fusing increasing flexibility, repeatability and reliability. This powerful unit allows advanced control algorithms but yet easy to calibrate for the end user.

Microprocessor controlled power switching, monitoring and fusing unit. Fully configurable input to output schematic mapping with latch, flash, and logic functions. Fully configurable inrush current, high current and low current trips. Control and diagnostic communication with ecus, data logging or telemetry equipment. Current monitoring on all outputs available on data stream or pc.



From Carteks description of their new Battery ISO switch which is similar to the MSEL.

Solid State means no moving parts, all power switching is fully electronic.

Early types of electrical isolation were by large mechanical master-switches while more modern systems have utilised electro-mechanical solenoids. Both of these types of systems contain mechanical electrical contacts which, due to the combination of high electrical current and the shocks and vibration of the race car environment, sparking between the contacts occurs which results in contact erosion and eventual unreliability.

Our Solid State Battery Isolators are also filled with a hard setting resin which prevents any ingress of dust, dirt or water therefore further increasing their strength and reliability.

https://www.cartekmotorsport.com/battery-isolators/
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