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Old 02-24-2016, 03:56 PM   #226 (permalink)
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I decided to extend my exhaust tips to help get the sound out from inside the wheel wells. Maybe it will help quiet the sound in the cab a little.

On a side note, how can I space out the pictures a bit, or add text in between ?
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Old 02-25-2016, 03:01 AM   #227 (permalink)
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I decided to extend my exhaust tips to help get the sound out from inside the wheel wells. Maybe it will help quiet the sound in the cab a little.

On a side note, how can I space out the pictures a bit, or add text in between ?
Just hit the enter key between inserting the links to the pictures.
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Old 02-29-2016, 02:25 PM   #228 (permalink)
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Hey Dan,
How did the Lizard Skin work? Are you happy with the end product? I just ordered some for my jeep and a buddy's jeep to spray on.

Your jeep turned out amazing btw! Thanks for sharing!
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Old 03-01-2016, 02:14 PM   #229 (permalink)
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Hey Dan,
How did the Lizard Skin work? Are you happy with the end product? I just ordered some for my jeep and a buddy's jeep to spray on.

Your jeep turned out amazing btw! Thanks for sharing!
Thank you!

I liked the Lizard Skin, it was easy to spray on and seems to be durable. Looks good too.

I'm wrapping the exhaust pipes with this stuff now. They are so close to the floor I can feel the heat.
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Old 03-01-2016, 07:51 PM   #230 (permalink)
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It's not that pretty, but if it works, I'll be happy. Their website says it's great
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Old 03-01-2016, 07:59 PM   #231 (permalink)
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It's not that pretty, but if it works, I'll be happy. Their website says it's great
....probably Trumplodytes
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Old 03-01-2016, 08:02 PM   #232 (permalink)
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I used the DEI stick on heatshield on the underside of the floor. It make a HUGE difference for me. I would lean that way over wrapping the exhaust. It went from shoe melting hot to its warm for your hand to touch....
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....probably Trumplodytes
Haha, we are winners!
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I used the DEI stick on heatshield on the underside of the floor. It make a HUGE difference for me. I would lean that way over wrapping the exhaust. It went from shoe melting hot to its warm for your hand to touch....
That's what I need. I was afraid of it not sticking after a while. The wrap assisted in scavenging as well. I have it now so I'll try it and post some feedback.
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Just hit the enter key between inserting the links to the pictures.
Thanks Gojeep, I assume that's if I post pictures elsewhere and link them here? I just use "Manage attachments" so Pirate uploads them. I don't see a way to add text between them.
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Old 03-02-2016, 02:59 AM   #236 (permalink)
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Thanks Gojeep, I assume that's if I post pictures elsewhere and link them here? I just use "Manage attachments" so Pirate uploads them. I don't see a way to add text between them.
Yes it was. Have never used the manage attachments.
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That's what I need. I was afraid of it not sticking after a while. The wrap assisted in scavenging as well. I have it now so I'll try it and post some feedback.
Whatever glue they use is amazing. I stuck mine to the underside of a crusty old floor in places that I basically only wiped down with a dirty shop rag. It has held on perfect. That includes a few thousand miles of 100+ degree highway miles along with fully submerging the vehicle up to the hood in water on multiple occasions. I will be using it on my new build also. I am going to do the entire tunnel and area under the floor between the frame rails to help keep heat out of the cabin.

I believe Svaras used it on his new build also. I think he even stuck it to spray on bedliner material.
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Whatever glue they use is amazing. I stuck mine to the underside of a crusty old floor in places that I basically only wiped down with a dirty shop rag. It has held on perfect. That includes a few thousand miles of 100+ degree highway miles along with fully submerging the vehicle up to the hood in water on multiple occasions. I will be using it on my new build also. I am going to do the entire tunnel and area under the floor between the frame rails to help keep heat out of the cabin.

I believe Svaras used it on his new build also. I think he even stuck it to spray on bedliner material.
Thanks, you have me sold. I was worried about it not sticking to the Lizard Skin. I'd like it under the tunnel and floor as well, it might even help muffle the sound a little.
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Old 03-03-2016, 06:53 PM   #239 (permalink)
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I got the front end down a few inches. Looks good now. It has 5" up travel and 7" down. It took 3.12.200 coils over 3.14.450 to get the ride height I wanted. Now I need to drive it and see how it handles.

I haven't touched the rear yet.
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Old 03-03-2016, 09:12 PM   #240 (permalink)
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what is the sprung corner weight?

Do you have any preload on the coils at full droop?

What was the final coil combination?
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Old 03-04-2016, 07:39 AM   #241 (permalink)
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what is the sprung corner weight?

Do you have any preload on the coils at full droop?

What was the final coil combination?
Mieser, I'm anxious to hear your input.

I just started reading Wayne's thread "the spring tech thread" and already it sounds like I went too heavy on the springs and not enough preload.

The front currently has 12" over 14" (200/450) springs and they're 12" shocks.
1" preload.

It will be a few days before I can get some scales over here.

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Mieser, I'm anxious to hear your input.

I just started reading Wayne's thread "the spring tech thread" and already it sounds like I went too heavy on the springs and not enough preload.

The front currently has 12" over 14" (200/450) springs and they're 12" shocks.
1" preload.

It will be a few days before I can get some scales over here.

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You don't need scales, actually it is better to do it without them.

So we just need SPRUNG weight. The most accurate way to do that is to take your existing coils and measure how much they compress. That will give you the sprung weight per corner. I would just use single coils to do this as it makes the math easier. You can run the dual rate stop down to only engage the bottom coil.

Just to make sure, you have some preload now? 1" of preload would be if the shock is FULLY extended, you have compressed the springs 1" with the top nut.
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Looking back a little bit and trying to get caught up. I can't keep everyone's build memorized

With your 450/200 combo your combined rate is 138.5lbs/in.

The formula for finding combined spring rate is:
CR = (R1 * R2) / (R1 + R2)

CR = Combined spring rate
R1 = Spring rate of top spring
R2 = Spring rate of bottom spring (and total spring rate after the stop)

The most concerning thing about this combo is the difference in rate between the upper and lower spring. In my opinion that is WAY too much. I think anything over about a 100# difference is 'bad'. I will expand on this if you need me to. Basically, the problems are step up rate and how quick the upper coil will block out or have to hit the dual rate stop. I have gone over a lot of this starting here....

https://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/jeep-...l#post31592474

I hope that helps. Lets get corner weights and we can go from there.
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Old 03-06-2016, 01:53 PM   #244 (permalink)
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Thanks Mieser I appreciate the info and help. I have been reading up a bit. BV's coil spring bible part 1 is good. Chris' thread is good too. I'll get back to it on Monday.

This weekend I couldn't pass up a trip with some friends and new friends. Some cool hardware. I just wished my truck was there
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Old 03-07-2016, 01:16 PM   #246 (permalink)
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Looking back a little bit and trying to get caught up. I can't keep everyone's build memorized

With your 450/200 combo your combined rate is 138.5lbs/in.

The formula for finding combined spring rate is:
CR = (R1 * R2) / (R1 + R2)

CR = Combined spring rate
R1 = Spring rate of top spring
R2 = Spring rate of bottom spring (and total spring rate after the stop)

The most concerning thing about this combo is the difference in rate between the upper and lower spring. In my opinion that is WAY too much. I think anything over about a 100# difference is 'bad'. I will expand on this if you need me to. Basically, the problems are step up rate and how quick the upper coil will block out or have to hit the dual rate stop. I have gone over a lot of this starting here....

https://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/jeep-...l#post31592474

I hope that helps. Lets get corner weights and we can go from there.
14" 450lb. coil compressed 2" (and there is a charge in the shocks)
So I think that's 450x2= 900lbs. ?
They are 12" travel shocks.

(I know on the scales in came in at 4866 lbs. without my spare and mount)
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Old 03-08-2016, 06:14 AM   #247 (permalink)
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Playing around with this calculator, looks like 175/200 with 1" preload for my 900#

http://api.viglink.com/api/click?for...xt=Spreadsheet

EDIT:
For some reason I can't link to it. So it's here:
page 3 post #72

https://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/gener...ch-thread.html
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Old 03-08-2016, 06:18 AM   #248 (permalink)
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try again

EDIT: pic was too blurry
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Old 03-08-2016, 06:20 AM   #249 (permalink)
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Are you still shooting for 5-6 inches of uptravel from ride height?
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Are you still shooting for 5-6 inches of uptravel from ride height?
Yes, they are 12" travel shocks
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