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Old 12-06-2017, 08:19 PM   #176 (permalink)
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Well I did enough research to decide that as easy as the ZF steering box would be to make work- it probably isn't worth it due to not easily sourced replacement issues, and it's not nearly as beefy as the Saginaw. So I guess I'll be frenching the Saginaw into the front bumper/crossmember.


Got U bolts, and plopped it down to decide on shackle length and placement. Feels good to have it "off" of the jackstands even if it is momentarily.
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Old 12-07-2017, 06:29 AM   #177 (permalink)
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Looks good, Is the rear on the ground too?

As for the steering gear, make sure to account for the shackle hanger on the left side. It get's pretty tight in that corner.
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Old 12-07-2017, 09:00 AM   #178 (permalink)
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What about a steering box with a forward pitman arm? I believe they were common on ford vans but not sure.
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Old 12-07-2017, 11:16 AM   #179 (permalink)
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What about a steering box with a forward pitman arm? I believe they were common on ford vans but not sure.
IIRC may use the one off a Chevy AstroVan.
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Old 12-07-2017, 10:28 PM   #180 (permalink)
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Looks good, Is the rear on the ground too?

As for the steering gear, make sure to account for the shackle hanger on the left side. It get's pretty tight in that corner.
Rear isn't on the ground yet, debating what I wanna do for rear suspension, and even axles- I was just looking at yota 8" axles today...... And you're right about that corner, seems like everything gets tight on these little flatties with big parts stuffed inside!

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What about a steering box with a forward pitman arm? I believe they were common on ford vans but not sure.
I thought about that and mocked it up roughly and just didn't like how vulnerable the steering components looked to be. Sure would make things easier though.

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Haha van parts on my jeep!
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Old 12-09-2017, 08:16 AM   #181 (permalink)
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I used a steering box out of a TJ, it has a small pump with a divorced tank. The tank gives you options for mounting and won't clutter up the engine.

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Old 12-09-2017, 12:05 PM   #182 (permalink)
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French the steering box into the back of the front bumper. Try and find a big piston box like a j20 truck or dodge durango.

The other option could be an outside the frame box with a forward swing pitman.toyota fj40 or 80series, scout, etc. Space for the shock will get tight.
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Old 12-09-2017, 05:59 PM   #183 (permalink)
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I used a steering box out of a TJ, it has a small pump with a divorced tank. The tank gives you options for mounting and won't clutter up the engine.

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Hmm, is that a different one than the ZF one I have? Mine is from an 03-06 TJ

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French the steering box into the back of the front bumper. Try and find a big piston box like a j20 truck or dodge durango.

The other option could be an outside the frame box with a forward swing pitman.toyota fj40 or 80series, scout, etc. Space for the shock will get tight.
Yeah looking most likely I'll french the steering box into the bumper......if only I had another inch
I did look at a yota box earlier today, but not sure I like aesthetics of it sticking outside of the frame.
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Old 12-10-2017, 04:35 AM   #184 (permalink)
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Did another roadtrip yesterday, got some free wheels- but if you look close they are 6x5.5?



Oh, that's right..... I changed my mind again, and picked up some super clean yota 8" axles, I even helped take them out of the truck. It was just an old daily driver never beat on 1983. Got the axles for helluva score
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Old 12-18-2017, 12:58 AM   #185 (permalink)
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Made some progress over the weekend. Took me way longer than it should've cutting off brackets and getting the new perches figured out.... hoping I can have everything at a happy medium without cutting and turning the knuckles.
I believe I have my pinion angle at +3* and the caster at +8* I'll see how it is once everything gets tacked on and bolted in.
Main issue I ran into was getting the perches at 27.5" distance to align up into my frame- the driver side perch gets shoved right into the diff and makes for some challenging mounting and height differences. Was able to get the perches within 3/8" of each other without cutting into the axle, so just going to raise the passenger side perch up 3/8" and have it all be level.











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Old 12-18-2017, 06:49 PM   #186 (permalink)
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Set up my perches and tacked them.... all still pretty basic stuff but it's my first time doing it all- hopefully I can contribute some cool "trick" items later on in the build.

Tossed in the axles and just got everything resting in there for now. Im excited to see how I can setup the steering. I will make some high clearance leaf spring mounts/plates but the bolt nearest the 3rd member is gonna be pretty interesting for fitment, there is barely any room but I have a few ideas.



No idea if I will actually go through with this, but I have them soooo.....


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Still looking for a ford input shaft for your FSJ T18?
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Old 12-29-2017, 05:25 PM   #188 (permalink)
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Still looking for a ford input shaft for your FSJ T18?
Not at the moment, I'm gonna tackle the clutch and input shaft stuff again/later once the rest of the jeep gets built.
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Old 12-29-2017, 05:27 PM   #189 (permalink)
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Slacked on updates but nothing all that special.... but here are some updates.

Got legit racecar pedals... because Jeep.


Made highclearance u bolt plates.




Happiest of all, made it a roller with 2x4 custom shackles.
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Old 12-29-2017, 06:35 PM   #190 (permalink)
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Well done, keep it up.
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Old 12-30-2017, 07:43 AM   #191 (permalink)
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Good to see it as a roller!
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Old 12-30-2017, 11:28 AM   #192 (permalink)
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Not at the moment, I'm gonna tackle the clutch and input shaft stuff again/later once the rest of the jeep gets built.
Sounds good ive got 2 ford t18s sitting here and can obviously only use 1...
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Old 12-30-2017, 08:30 PM   #193 (permalink)
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Roller looks good, and makes me want to get to work on mine!

What size tires are those? And if you have a moment please: How much space do you have between the frame rail and inside of the tire?
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Old 01-01-2018, 03:54 PM   #194 (permalink)
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Well done, keep it up.
Thanks, I plan to! Thanks for all the help along the way!

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Roller looks good, and makes me want to get to work on mine!

What size tires are those? And if you have a moment please: How much space do you have between the frame rail and inside of the tire?
Worn 33x10.5 on 15x7 stock yota wheels (zero offset if I remember right)
8.25" between tire and frame rail.






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Old 01-02-2018, 01:30 PM   #196 (permalink)
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great lookin Jeep right there
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Still thinking about motorcycle carbs?
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I was wondering about the motor cycle carbs too. I am really interested to see how it works.

The Toyota axles are a great choice. Did you have much trouble with welding the spring perches on the Toyota housing? You rarely see them sprung under and I always heard it was because of the housing? With that said I have always thought it was the perfect upgrade for a Willys.
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Thanks, I kinda wish I put the windshield on for the pic haha

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Yep! But not too concerned about making it adapted/work right until the jeep is done since I know the motor already runs well.

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I was wondering about the motor cycle carbs too. I am really interested to see how it works.

The Toyota axles are a great choice. Did you have much trouble with welding the spring perches on the Toyota housing? You rarely see them sprung under and I always heard it was because of the housing? With that said I have always thought it was the perfect upgrade for a Willys.
The Yota axles are absolutely a pain to deal with for spring under and the 27.5" spring perch location.... I contoured my high clearance spring plate to fit and am bracing it, certainly not an ideal setup, but I think it will definitely be beefy enough once all said and done- just a lot more involved than just flat spring plate.

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Thanks for the input on the axles. I think it's a perfect match for a flatty keep up the good work.
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