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Old 10-19-2016, 07:39 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Questions for people wheeling flatties

I'm thinking of buying a flatfender to wheel and drive around town. But I've got a few questions for people who actually drive em.


I've only sat in one 2A, but in that example I did not fit. I'm about 6' and a 38" waist. Will I just not fit in a 2A? Or was the one I sat in assembled wrong?

Can a stock 2A comfortably drive 50 MPH?

What sort of gas mileage is to be expected from a 2A running around town? How about while bouncing around on the trail?

How's the stock carb on the trail?

Does anyone remember if the ultimate willys adventure Jeeps were on 235 tires or 30x9.50 tires?

If I put a locker in or lincoln lock the 41 am I asking for broken shafts on 31" tires?

I'm sure the search function could answer this one but... Does anyone have pictures of a flatty with waggy 44's underneath it?


Thanks, hopefully these questions aren't too annoying.
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I'm thinking of buying a flatfender to wheel and drive around town. But I've got a few questions for people who actually drive em.


I've only sat in one 2A, but in that example I did not fit. I'm about 6' and a 38" waist. Will I just not fit in a 2A? Or was the one I sat in assembled wrong?
I'm 6'3 and fit in a 2A comfortably, though a little close to the steering wheel. When I did my cage I lowered the seat 2" and back 2" which made a world of difference, but that requires cutting the wheel house. The 3A and M38 got a little bit better with the leg room.
Can a stock 2A comfortably drive 50 MPH?
It can, it would like it better with an overdrive though.
What sort of gas mileage is to be expected from a 2A running around town? How about while bouncing around on the trail?
I used to get about 13 smiles per gallon when mine was stock, but I did have a winch and bumpers and other weight.

If I put a locker in or lincoln lock the 41 am I asking for broken shafts on 31" tires?
Don't lincoln lock it, you won't be able to turn. Not many lockers exist for the 41, what you'll find is a traction aid. Swap it for a later Dana 44 and it opens up possibilities for traction, but not many if it's 19 spline. With L head power the 41 will live. I wheeled a 19 spline 44 with a 283 V8 and 34" TSL's with no issues.


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Old 10-19-2016, 12:26 PM   #3 (permalink)
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for me personally, I think the seat needs to move back, especially if you're keeping the factory steering wheel (large diameter). I'm just shy of 6', 185lbs


I don't know if I'd trust the D41 with a locker. I broke a D41 axle shaft on the street with an open diff (33" tires though...)


Mileage around town, I'd say anywhere from 14-16 if everything is stock spec, depending on your speeds. That's about what I averaged when the vehicle was bone stock.


Stock carb works good offroad. Mine had trouble at first, until I cleaned it out. Well, I didn't really clean it out, I just held the RPMs at around 2000, and slapped my hand over the carb until it stalled. That seemed to "suck through" all of the passage ways and it ran much better after that. No problems on off-camber or steep climbs anymore after that.


Whatever your plan is, I'm sure you'll enjoy it. When I drive mine to and from work, I honestly can't wait for the commute, it's fun driving around in an old willys.


The ultimate willys adventure guys I think had tires donated to them, I forget what size they were, if you can find the article it probably says. If you can't find it, I may have some photos of the jeeps where the tire lettering is visible, I'll check tonight.
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Old 10-19-2016, 04:30 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I'm thinking of buying a flatfender to wheel and drive around town. But I've got a few questions for people who actually drive em.


I've only sat in one 2A, but in that example I did not fit. I'm about 6' and a 38" waist. Will I just not fit in a 2A? Or was the one I sat in assembled wrong?

Drove one for years in a stock seating configuration. I was about your size then too. I had no issues. The big wheel is what I swapped to a smaller one. That helped. The new one I am building - I'm keeping the seating position stock. But will have a smaller wheel and possible tilt column....because I'm Well, fat now.

Can a stock 2A comfortably drive 50 MPH?

yes. no problem....on a tow bar or trailer. 50 is possible but it ain't comfortable. OD helps a lot. But 60 HP is 60 HP. Climbing hills on a two lane road - oh yeah, good times. I recall 45 being a happy spot for the L-head. But for just bombing around town, there are few things that bring a bigger grin than a L-head giving you what little it's got between stop lights.

What sort of gas mileage is to be expected from a 2A running around town? How about while bouncing around on the trail?

Can't help you. Never had one where the speedo and gas gauge worked at the same time. It's kind of a flatfender law. They both can't work simultaneously. Your flatfender friends may beat you up if they do. Carry a gas can and avoid a beating.

How's the stock carb on the trail?

Sucks. But that's half the fun.

Does anyone remember if the ultimate willys adventure Jeeps were on 235 tires or 30x9.50 tires?

I got nothing.

If I put a locker in or lincoln lock the 41 am I asking for broken shafts on 31" tires?

I've run lockers in a 41. I've broken shafts. But if you are kind it will be ok. Don't weld a 41. The virgin Mary will weep at the blasphemy. I hear the 44 ten spline lock rite will fit the 41. I've never confirmed that. But from what I understand they swap both ways. Lock-rite still lists a lunch box locker part number. So it's out there. The 41 really isn't a bad axle within it's limits. 10 spline shafts are interchangeable with the 44. Aftermarket Philipino axle shafts are garbage. Stick with factory stuff if you can find it. Herm still offers a full float kit for the 41. That said, I know of no source for a replacement ring and pinion. So long term, a 44 swap may not be a bad idea. I have three 41's on the pile. As soon as I run out of spares, I'll do a 44.

I'm sure the search function could answer this one but... Does anyone have pictures of a flatty with waggy 44's underneath it?

Again, i got nothing.


Thanks, hopefully these questions aren't too annoying.

Not annoying at all. Good to see someone new feeling the flatfender vibe. I've had a lot of cars over the years. To me none have been as fun as the various stock, modified, barely running flafenders I've had. Cheers and enjoy.
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Mine had trouble at first, until I cleaned it out. Well, I didn't really clean it out, I just held the RPMs at around 2000, and slapped my hand over the carb until it stalled. That seemed to "suck through" all of the passage ways and it ran much better after that.
And I thought that was my little trick...
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My trick was to run a two barrel out of a junk yard that way you don't have to clean it odds are one of the two jets are clean. haha

Anyways, Im 6'4 and had a small notch cut out of my Mb tub, for a set of 3a seats, with a really uncofortable set of hanging peddles I fit fine. I think if you pull most of the backrest cusion out it wouldn't be too bad.

As for tires I dunno what the willis adventure guys ran, but before I cut into mine I has running a set of tall 7.50-16's on widdened wheels I think 32" is what they measured to. They fit really well, and looked beastly on it. only rubbed on the pockets cut out for the seats.
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Cool thanks guys! That about covers it. Looks like the axle upgrade path is early 70's CJ axles front and rear, waggy axles ruin the flat fender look.

And if anyone cares the ultimate Willy's adventure guys were running 30x9.50 Pitbull rockers with wheel spacers on the front.
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I'm thinking of buying a flatfender to wheel and drive around town. But I've got a few questions for people who actually drive em.

I've only sat in one 2A, but in that example I did not fit. I'm about 6' and a 38" waist. Will I just not fit in a 2A? Or was the one I sat in assembled wrong?

Can a stock 2A comfortably drive 50 MPH?

What sort of gas mileage is to be expected from a 2A running around town? How about while bouncing around on the trail?

How's the stock carb on the trail?

Does anyone remember if the ultimate willys adventure Jeeps were on 235 tires or 30x9.50 tires?

If I put a locker in or lincoln lock the 41 am I asking for broken shafts on 31" tires?

I'm sure the search function could answer this one but... Does anyone have pictures of a flatty with waggy 44's underneath it?


Thanks, hopefully these questions aren't too annoying.
Im 6' also but real skinny and I fit in mine great.

Mine tops out around 35 mph with stock 5.38's and 33"s. It has the power to go faster, but the Dana 18 gets real loud.

No idea on actual mileage, but I get 2 wheeling days off a full tank. I believe mine spills more gas than it burns.

Im lincoln locked in the rear, run 33"s. Hard to break shafts with lawnmower horsepower but Ive heard of it happening.
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If you want to see a waggy axle under a flat fender, I have some pictures in my build. I can't remember what the offset of the wheels is, but if you need to know I'll check.

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If you want to see a waggy axle under a flat fender, I have some pictures in my build. I can't remember what the offset of the wheels is, but if you need to know I'll check.

https://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/jeep-...ild-build.html
Cool! now I know what to use when I want to really want to wheel.
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Does anyone drive there flatty in snow storms? I'm thinking I could still get to work if I dressed up like a snowmobiler and folded down the windshield.
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Can the windshield fog with no top? I never considered that... If not than no issue. All I'll need to add is a windshield squirter.
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Can the windshield fog with no top? I never considered that... If not than no issue. All I'll need to add is a windshield squirter.
Driving ANY CJ, regardless of year/model, sucks in the winter - the wipers don't do a good job ridding the outside of snow, ice, wet and the defroster, if you have one, generally can't keep up with the cold temps and heavy breathing. If you're out there topless, the shit gets on the inside of the windshield and requires constant wiping by hand. Yup, I know firsthand - back in high school/college years was know to cruise around in the snow, windshield down, in my '45 GPW. Great memories.
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Maybe just a stubby wind deflector windshield (like a snowmobile windshield) for serious winter conditions. I don't expect to do it often but my "reliable" vehicle has a habit of not staying charged in the cold.
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scraping ice off the inside of the windshield while driving is always fun
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scraping ice off the inside of the windshield while driving is always fun
I want a wiper system that has a blade on the outside AND inside!
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I want a wiper system that has a blade on the outside AND inside!
Then why haven't you made one yet?

On the way to the club meet this year I had to pull over several times in the snow and clear the windshield, it stinks trying to drive like that.
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sign me up if anyone is making a double sided windshield wiper/scraper
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I have a window squeegy I cut down to fit my window then replaced the small handle with a longer handle total length is about 18" long. The longer handle allows me to unzip the window and reach out and squeegy the window from inside. Also 2 small shower towels to wipe the soft top plastic windows and the condensation running off the windshield but they are soaked by mid day. I love snow wheelin' but the high humidity and lack of visibility is dangerous and a pain in the ass. I use a lot of Rain-X.
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Rain-X actually condenses water faster. It allows the water to run off in big rain, but will fog up in a flash.

I wonder if anti-fog would be better on the inside. I used that on goggles. It wasn't perfect but would clear very fast. It was there that I learned about rain x. OK on the outside of the glass but definitely not on the inside.

Just my experience. I tried it a few times with the same results. Let me know if different as I thought there should be no problem...but there was.
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Late to the game here, but I have done lots of wheeling in my mostly stock 48 CJ2A. I'm 6 ft, 230, and I fit fine. Little belly rub on the wheel from time to time, but that's part of the fun. I have Lock Rights in front and rear in the stock axles. They work well for the most part. If i wasn't set on keeping the original axles and electrical (6 volt) I would probably opt for a selectable of some sort, at least in the front. The steering can fight you a little when coming down a steep grade in 4wd.
I have an overdrive, but it really doesn't give me much more road speed capability, except on a long flat or downhill. Just not enough horsepower. 45 is about as fast as I like to go for any sustained period of time. I do love the overdrive on the trail. Being able to split gears really helps in getting the sweet spot for power to speed.

I don't drive much on the road, but when I do I seem to get about 13 mpg.

In my opinion (not worth much since this is my first and only 4wd rig), if you really want to run bigger tires, you need more horsepower and stronger axles, steering and suspension than a stock flatly can give you. More opinion.... if your going to take a stock flatly and turn it into something else, you might as well start with something that is closer to what you want.

Here's a little video of us climbing "The Wall" on Poughkeepsie Gulch. The only mods on this jeep are Lock Rights, front and rear. Hope the video works. Never tried to post one on this forum before.

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Forgot to say that my stock Carter WO carb has never had an issue since I had it rebuilt.
Even at 13,000 ft on top of Imogene pass.
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Since you live in Colorado I would say try to find something that has already had an engine swap. I had a 4 cylinder back east and at sea level it was fine you could squeeze 50 mph out of it but it screamed. Here I have had a Buick V8 powered CJ3a and now have a Buick V6 powered CJ2a. The V6 seems to be the ticket. If you keep your eye on craigslist it seems like v6 Willys pop up a lot in the Colorado area.
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