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Old 01-15-2018, 12:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I’m not going to do a build thread, just a few pics.

I found this abandoned 7 year Willys project in the Pirate classifieds. Paid $7250 for it and my kid $500 to drive to Arizona to go get it. After cleaning it up I decided to take it to the frame and start from scratch. So far to date I have approximately $8000 in parts into it.
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Specs: SBC built for all low end torque, late model SM 465, Dana 300 4.1 kit, 60/14, Detroits, 513 gears, 98” wheel base, full width axles for now.

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Tub has the firewall moved back 3” so no body/hood stretch, boat sides, and removable dash.

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Building this for rock crawling and racing at a local off road track. I’m thinking of painting yellow with checkered hood to match my other. One for Rubicon, one for Fordyce.
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AWESOME Tim! think you'll get er done for this summer?
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The seats are in, now you can see the tool box under the seats. Tomorrow seat belt tabs and a bunch of bungee strap hold downs. Then fit the tub back on the chassis to see what I screwed up.
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are you going to have a plate or sticker for it?
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No build thread......that is some bullcrap.....
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so you are the guy who bought this--I was talking to the guy and almost had a deal with him, but before I made up my mind you had pulled the trigger--glad you got it....now tell us more and show us more!!!
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Building this for rock crawling and racing at a local off road track. Iím thinking of painting yellow with checkered hood to match my other. One for Rubicon, one for Fordyce.
Forgive my ignorance but is there actually a reason you couldn't have one rig for both places other than 2 Willys are better than 1?

Disclaimer: I've never wheeled either.
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Forgive my ignorance but is there actually a reason you couldn't have one rig for both places other than 2 Willys are better than 1?

Disclaimer: I've never wheeled either.

Tim once you start rolling on this thing , the other will just be the winter snow rig!
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Those look pretty close in size to your IROKS

Are those 39.5s on 10x15s or 42s?
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Tim,

Is this going to get a similar stereo / disco ball setup? Good to see you're embracing the LWB.
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Oldtimingman: Iím pretty sure I can have it running by summer. This was going to be more for hard use, so most of my interest was an overbuilt suspension, but it seems I have gotten overly involved in the tub. I moved the drive train back for better weight bias, then had to move the firewall back, etc, etc., it just snow balled. The tires are 39.5x15.50x15 on 10x15 steel bead locks. I may sell them and get 40x12.50x17 Coopers Radials? I think the TSLís are better suited for mud or snow, not rock (Rubicon or Fordyce). I may put them on my little yellow for snow runs?

46WILYZ: I would love to plate the thing, I am trying. I would need to dump the full hydro and narrow the axles to start with. Also, I donít have a tow rig, Iíve been looking at an Izuzu Cabover 16í flatbed around $16,000, another project? Thinkiní some kind of base camp camper, hauler thing? I heard you're putting an LS in yours, where's your pics?

Meiser: No build thread? I hate typing, a picture is worth a thousand words.

csutton7: Chris I made first contact with the seller. I was a few days later through PM messages. I told Gary? I knew you, we have camped and wheeled together and you were a good guy, and that I didnít want to step on your deal. After 3 weeks he had no offer, so I offered full price and he accepted it. I hope you feel I waited an appropriate amount of time. A bit of information: the rig was a good selection of parts that was assembled enough to roll. Everything needed to taken apart and rebuilt except the trans NP435 and TCase Dana 300, I had the 4.1 low range put in. Also, front and rear drive shafts are new. In hind sight I offered probably $1000 too much, but it had a good selection of parts. The seller seemed like a good guy, family and work stopped his project.

GTOffroader: My other two rigs are my babies. My Wifeís í56 CJ mall crawler and my í44 GPW. This í51 Willys is being built for more hardcore stuff. My true passion are dirt bikes but they are killing me (literally), so with age comes the cage.

FordFacist: Ha, you know me, camp is loud, reggae music and drinkin

rochead: Since I got called out for not posting pics, where is yours?
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We hesitated due to the drive to get it and factoring in what to offer---I think we offered $6k, but I'm not sure he would've parted with it at that and I don't think we would've offered much more even though, like you say "there's a lot of good parts on the thing", so no prob that you got it. Plus it's frickin' cold here in the winters so we are going to like the heater and cab of the truck!!

Now get busy and take pics and if you want to part with the full hydraulic steering let's talk and do you still have some of the coil over springs for 2" coilovers?

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Thanks for all the updates! agree, typing sucks, pics are good!

The TSLs aren't bad if grooved- pretty indestructable

So , if you're building a hardcore green sticker rig just get it together primered ! screw the body , and the checkers!

get a handfull of gauges in, a cage, seats , toss in a couple coolers for the summer and roll!

And you certainly don't need much of a tow rig from where you live unless Moab and Colorado are going to be regular haunts immediately ? a beater and trailer for this year is all ya need!

We are all jazzed to see you getting this together......
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oh and yeah 46Wilyz...... an LS ? nice ! i missed that one
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Tim,CJs are not cool in this group,remember Barrett Lake gate is 86Ē so if you want to leave old yeller at home and bring new yeller keep it under 86Ē.I will be at 82Ē not only for Barrett but I can still use same trailer to haul my junk
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Yah, Barrett Lake is a priority, I just measured mine it's 87 1/2" wide. I may sell the tire and wheels. My tires are 39.5x15.50x15 and the wheels have a lot of offset. I'm sure I can lose 4" with a better tire wheel combo.
Did you narrow your axles? Any tips to speed things up? On the front I was planning on just cutting the c's in half and a little grinding then just pound them apart. Pound on some Reids. Bam!, day and a half.............
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No cut,just running 17x9 with 4.5Ē of back space with 40x13.5 pro comps and the front is 82Ē at edge of tire,Rear will be less of course
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46WILYZ: I would love to plate the thing, I am trying. I would need to dump the full hydro and narrow the axles to start with. Also, I donít have a tow rig, Iíve been looking at an Izuzu Cabover 16í flatbed around $16,000, another project? Thinkiní some kind of base camp camper, hauler thing? I heard you're putting an LS in yours, where's your pics?
I am still remodeling my house, so no work has been done to the wilyz. I do have a 5.3ls and dodge kingpin dana 60 waiting to be installed sitting in my garage. I have been ordering parts and have close to everything I need to make the swap. I debated on switching to an auto too, but ordered a new flywheel and clutch to keep my sm420. I think the extra torque and higher rpms of the 5.3 should help and make a difference with the sm420 gearing. I also picked up some 4.88 gears f/r.
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Any new pics on the new Flatty squared?
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I put the tub back on and did some garage wheel'n. Naturally I found some more areas that need to be clearanced. The biggest problem is the rear cage support hitting the tire with an 1-1/2" more compression left on the shock. The last pic shows the cage support hitting the top of the rear tire. With plans to narrow the wheel base eventually I have to cut out the support and move it, the problem is it may have to go approx. 10-12" behind the front? The tub is off and doing some detailed body work, I hope to be painting and Line X it in the next few weeks.
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Why not bend a 90 degree in the tube to match the cut of the rear of the tub and eliminate the contact? You could even gusset the tube 90 and have more clearance than you do now. Just an idea.
Looking great BTW.
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Pretty minor detail but I really like the seat frame/tool box mounting area. Looks like really good storage under the seats. I am really looking forward to seeing what this turns into.
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