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Old 01-22-2018, 11:09 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Anyone swap in a tracker/ sidekick engine/ trans

I'm looking at light weight powertrain swaps to get an auto, less weight and better driveability into my WillE. I found a complete sidekick locally with a 1.8l. The entire drivetrain is less than 1/2 of the stock setup. Has anyone done one?
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I don't recall seeing one done on here, so I say go for it....
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I thought about using the transfer case once for the crawler gears available , but then I couldn't get myself to put Japanese parts into a US made ( won the war) vehicle.........
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I thought about using the transfer case once for the crawler gears available , but then I couldn't get myself to put Japanese parts into a US made ( won the war) vehicle.........
A 60 degree aluminum v6, tf904 and d300 are looking more likely.
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It seams like a lot of work for put a pretty week motor in. Would probably be on the easier side of swaps because of using the whole package and overall size being so small. With a 4 to 1 or 6 to 1 in the transfer case it would work on the trail but daily driving will be rough.

I think you are on the right track looking at light weight V6 motors.
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I know of someone who has a body of the jeep on a sidekick chassis, I think it's a sidekick anyway. The power was decent. Small tires, and don't know the gear ratios. It was a 5 speed though, I think. That probably helped.
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I'd check the length of that assembly, an 80" wheelbase gets short quick.
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The tcase shifts all the way at the tail end as well, which could get interesting with my bench seat. I'm still going to look at the tracker, but have pretty much decided on the v6 route
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I did.

Had a sidekick 1.8/sami trans/6.5 sami t-case on a sami frame with yota axles under a willys body on tall skinny 35" swampers

What a bastard.

That said, the power was enough but coming from v8 toys I found myself having to really ring it out and over drive it.

In the end I swapped in a LS1, 904 and dana 300..it still pulls ladies just the same but now I can't hear them talk

I would not do a 4 banger again unless it was in the 160-200 hp range.

I would love to do the 2014 gm all aluminum LV3 v6. I am in love with that motor, dollar for dollar however an ls is cheaper.Another option is the 2010- camaro v6

You are looking at 600-2500 for a complete motor, can use truck swap accessory brackets for steering.

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Thank you @supersize75k5, I like the lv3 as well and want to run one in my LJ. For this, 200hp was my initial target and I should probably stick to that. I live in the hills and don't want to have it wrung out all of the time.
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Someone needs to try a late model gm 4cyl ecotec 2.4 or 2.5. I wish they where better supported for transmission options.
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Someone needs to try a late model gm 4cyl ecotec 2.4 or 2.5. I wish they where better supported for transmission options.
I looked into the 2.2, but with the extra adapters and work I decided against it.
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Someone needs to try a late model gm 4cyl ecotec 2.4 or 2.5. I wish they where better supported for transmission options.
Why not use the 2.0 FI Tracker DOHC engine (130hp) or the 2.3 (150hp) It has a nice 5spd trans, the same as the Miata trans, or the 4spd Aisin Automatic. Either trans uses the same lo-hi 4WD transfer case.

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Are the sidekick/tracker avalible with the 2,7L V6 in the US?
I think that is around 160 hp

I saw an EMC buggy at KOH with the ecotech and a cadillac 8 speed auto.
It was an interesting build.
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Why not use the 2.0 FI Tracker DOHC engine (130hp) or the 2.3 (150hp) It has a nice 5spd trans, the same as the Miata trans, or the 4spd Aisin Automatic. Either trans uses the same lo-hi 4WD transfer case.
The newer Ecotec makes 200hp and uses a hackable/flashable GM computer.
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The newer Ecotec makes 200hp and uses a hackable/flashable GM computer.
Which is nice, but how hard are they to come by? How much do they cost? What trans do you use? What tcase?

The sweet thing about the suzuki stuff is that the 2.0 rigs are getting cheap. Plus you get your engine, trans and tcase from one donor. There is 3.0 or 4.24 gears available for the stock tcase. Or you can easily run a Sami case in its place which has has like 6 different gear sets from 4-6.5:1 plus a reduced high range.
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Which is nice, but how hard are they to come by? How much do they cost? What trans do you use? What tcase?

The sweet thing about the suzuki stuff is that the 2.0 rigs are getting cheap. Plus you get your engine, trans and tcase from one donor. There is 3.0 or 4.24 gears available for the stock tcase. Or you can easily run a Sami case in its place which has has like 6 different gear sets from 4-6.5:1 plus a reduced high range.
It is GM, there are millions of them. Cost is really fair for a low mile engine that was produced in the last few years. Ebay is filled with lots of them for a grand or so.

Lakewood has a bellhousing that will let you use a GM 4spd and probably adapt to anything else that will fit in a flatty. Jesse Haines has a few adapter plates for 60 degree or 90 degree GM bellhousings. You aren't gonna get a factory tracker trans/tcase, or really a sami t-case, in an 80 inch wheelbase Flatty.
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The Suzuki 1.8 and 2.0,
"These engines use oil pressure to operate the timing chain tensioner. You must use the correct spec oil and the oil system must be kept clean. Extended oil change intervals, poor quality oil, or wrong grade oil could possibly cause the tensioner to fail. This will produce a timing chain rattle / knock in the front of the engine. Many used 1.8L engines are put down for timing chain / chain tensioner failure. If you continue to drive then with the knock / rattle they will break the nylon guides adn then begin to wear (slapping timing chain on aluminium). "
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It is GM, there are millions of them. Cost is really fair for a low mile engine that was produced in the last few years. Ebay is filled with lots of them for a grand or so.

Lakewood has a bellhousing that will let you use a GM 4spd and probably adapt to anything else that will fit in a flatty. Jesse Haines has a few adapter plates for 60 degree or 90 degree GM bellhousings. You aren't gonna get a factory tracker trans/tcase, or really a sami t-case, in an 80 inch wheelbase Flatty.
Oh really?

So it's fit in an 80" wb Sami, but not a flat fender?
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It is GM, there are millions of them. Cost is really fair for a low mile engine that was produced in the last few years. Ebay is filled with lots of them for a grand or so.

Lakewood has a bellhousing that will let you use a GM 4spd and probably adapt to anything else that will fit in a flatty. Jesse Haines has a few adapter plates for 60 degree or 90 degree GM bellhousings. You aren't gonna get a factory tracker trans/tcase, or really a sami t-case, in an 80 inch wheelbase Flatty.
Oh really?

So it's fit in an 80" wb Sami, but not a flat fender?
Yup, really. Did you ever notice how the grill on a samurai is all the way up against the end of the frame.....and how the grill on an old jeep set back about a foot? That extra foot makes a lot of difference when you are trying to package everything.

If you removed the jack shaft completely between the transmission and transfer case almost completely and just went yoke to yoke, or used a rubber drive flange coupler, you might squeak in some samurai parts.

The tracker stuff, with the married centered output transfer case isn't a short compact unit. It is about the same length as a Toyota unit.

If you want to give it a try, be my guess. I'll make some popcorn.
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Yup, really. Did you ever notice how the grill on a samurai is all the way up against the end of the frame.....and how the grill on an old jeep set back about a foot? That extra foot makes a lot of difference when you are trying to package everything.

If you removed the jack shaft completely between the transmission and transfer case almost completely and just went yoke to yoke, or used a rubber drive flange coupler, you might squeak in some samurai parts.

The tracker stuff, with the married centered output transfer case isn't a short compact unit. It is about the same length as a Toyota unit.

If you want to give it a try, be my guess. I'll make some popcorn.
Fair point.

The jack shaft can definitely be shortened. When using a Sami case.

Where is the crank pulley in relation to the front axle on a stock flatty?

I have 2 side kicks and a Sami case that I can measure.

I feel like it could be done, the suzuki stuff is pretty compact, although I know the jeep transmissions are super short.
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Zuk in a Flatty

The Samurai tub is 7 inches longer that the Willys , The engine is farther up front . The Samurai oil pan has an indent to give the front diff the proper clearance . Putting the Samurai drive train in a flatty moves the engine back these 7 inches putting the front of the oil pan right at the diff . A mod to the pan will fix this . With the jack shaft cut and welded yoke to yoke you can end up with a rear drive shaft 19 inches long .
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