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roastbeef 06-26-2008 07:00 PM


mrblaine 06-26-2008 09:44 PM

Did you go down Aftershock?

roastbeef 06-27-2008 04:10 PM

yea, that was aftershock. i wanted to do the whole thing, but we were with a jeep on 32's with an open front. we were doing the trail from south to north, but had to turn around when we got to the big rocks. fun trail.

Easy Rick 06-27-2008 10:20 PM


Originally Posted by mrblaine (Post 8368121)
For the same reasons that folks dump their black water when they leave, burn pallets, leave dumpsters worth of trash behind, shoot clays without picking up the pieces, burn trash in fire rings, dump couches and burn stolen cars.

Still don't follow.

Why? Was the question.

I know who, its the "why" I am curious about.


mrblaine 06-27-2008 10:59 PM


Originally Posted by Easy Rick (Post 8415877)
Still don't follow.

Why? Was the question.

I know who, its the "why" I am curious about.


The why is because a large contingent of folks view the desert and their presence there as an escape from societal standards and codes of conduct.

If no one is around to police them, then they do what they please regardless of the rules posted or that exist for recreation in the OHV. If you read the rules on the sign pertaining to firearms, you will notice that the exact slug or bullet firing firearms that did some of the damage to the sign are specifically prohibited in the OHV.

For the same reason you rarely see a clean public restroom, someone else will clean up after them, so they don't care. They treat the desert in the same manner.

Put more bluntly, they are assholes that could care not a whit less about the desert. To them, it's just a place away from the city to blow off steam, tear stuff up, and dump their trash of many forms.

Easy Rick 06-28-2008 06:49 AM

I guess that makes sense, its pretty insightful really.:)

But I still don't think I will ever fully understand, cause its not something I could ever do. If you know what I mean.


lttlbddy 06-28-2008 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by Easy Rick (Post 8416379)
But I still don't think I will ever fully understand, cause its not something I could ever do. If you know what I mean.

We are the many that think like this. Unfortunately , it is the few that stand out in the crowd.

mrblaine 06-28-2008 08:17 PM


Originally Posted by lttlbddy (Post 8417234)
We are the many that think like this. Unfortunately , it is the few that stand out in the crowd.

It's more than a few Steve, when it comes to JV. There's not but a couple of fire pits including ours that aren't full of nails. I see them all over the lakebed. If it were only a few, then there would only be a few fire pits with nails and staples from burning pallets.

I've personally come across 8 different instances of black water tank dumping on our way out on the side roads.

There's been a considerable amount of target practice on top of the overlook down into Backdoor with many spent brass casings littering the area that we picked up and disposed of.

We've yet to pull into the camp we normally try to use without having to do major clean-up ranging from picking up about a 100 spent 12 gauge hulls and 100's of clay target pieces to cleaning burnt trash out of the pit to spending about an hour with a scrub brush and water cleaning hundreds of paint ball splatters off the big rocks.

We quit camping by the first sand wash because there was too much trash to clean up each time.


That became the norm instead of the exception.

So, if it's only a few doing it, they sure are a bunch of busy little shits.

Hammer Hog 06-29-2008 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by mrblaine (Post 8417984)
It's more than a few...

...Fire pits...full of nails...all over the lakebed...

...Cleaning burnt trash...

...Black water tank dumping...

...Many spent brass casings littering the area...

...The norm...

So, if it's only a few doing it, they sure are a bunch of busy little shits.

Unfortunately, I agree 110%

I hate to say it, but no matter the event, whether it be a Bender (Clean-up) Jambo to a Victor Valley event, etc. ...crap still gets deliberately left behind. Being that some of us live just around the corner, we're usually the last ones to leave and unfortunately we see what's left after most are gone. :shaking:

I've gotta say the biggest disappointment was a couple of years ago after the Bender CLEAN-UP Jambo was over. I as well as a few friends from our club provided a huge dumpster for clean-up recycles/clean-up trash. And after all had left, we attempted to haul off the container and such to find that a large percentage was camp trash, not clean-up trash. There was countless bags of camp trash that was piled so high that a good amount was stacked around the container. It was a total abuse of what the containers were there for...CLEAN-UP RECYCLES/CLEAN-UP TRASH, NOT CAMP TRASH!!! There was enough camp trash left on the ground (Not all bagged either.), it could have literally filled another roll-off. So you can only imagine what we were faced with. :mad3:

Even after this last Bender Jambo/Clean-up, we stayed late and wheeled after most had left. We came across so much new trash strewn all over Lower Big Johnson to about the tune of what was found at Back-Door. And we can't say it was the quad & dirt-bike folks, it was the rock-crawler types.

So with this said, we need to more than ever self-police, especially if we want to play in our ever so threatened Johnson Valley.


BTW, I in no means have ever put the blame of any of that camp trash towards the Benders of that said clean-up event, let alone ever complained to them about it. It's towards all the lazy-ass individuals that had abused the situation.
We will still step up and help in the future of any future clean-up event. But please take your own trash home with you!!!

OlMan 06-29-2008 04:42 PM

You know this trash crap in the desert is really disgusting. I moved to Apple Valley a couple of years ago when we retired. One of the things we enjoy is geocaching. We learned a lot about our area doing this. I never knew about Juniper Flats and have just started to explore. Neat area. But everywhere we went, people left just everything. PIGS.

This morning I drove out to meet some friends to do Shredder Canyon out by Lake Los Angeles. Trash all along the ride. Everything that fits in a pickup and dumped along the road. Did not even drive off the road. Just dumped it next to the road. What low lifes! Then the trash in and around Shredder. Again, amazing.

I picked up a nail in my rig somewhere along the line at the Bender event. Use magnets in camp, but still can't keep up with it.

I think a lot of us are conerned about losing JV and a way of life. I think a lot of the people who use JV have no idea what a neat place they have and really don't care about anything but themselves.

See ya all at the FOJV on Tuesday.

randii 06-29-2008 06:58 PM


Originally Posted by OlMan (Post 8420165)
Everything that fits in a pickup and dumped along the road. Did not even drive off the road. Just dumped it next to the road.

What I read from that is most of the dumpers are locals and non-4x4 folks... we see that on trails everywhere, that the illegal dumping tapers off rapidly when clearance challenges escalate. There are a few idiots on our side, as well, but the general populace is the biggest problem... law enforcement works well, regardless -- but we need to keep them focused on our needs, or other squeaky wheels will distract them.


Originally Posted by OlMan (Post 8420165)
I think a lot of us are conerned about losing JV and a way of life. I think a lot of the people who use JV have no idea what a neat place they have and really don't care about anything but themselves

Amen! I'm too many gas tanks away to visit JV often, but I just got back from Sierra, and I expect that the Hammers are as big a deal to you, as the Rubicon is to me... we all have special places, and we need to work together to keep them safe.

Thanks for everyone's efforts locally to help understand the issues and ultimately protect the Hammers... you have much support and appreciation from afar. When you're ready, that'll make a pretty good war-chest...


roastbeef 06-30-2008 11:07 PM

i didn't see any trash on any of the trails when i went.
unfortunately, there was some graffiti in big white lettering on some rocks up high on a hill. really made the scenery look like garbage.

anyone know what the deal is with the wires on the ground when you get near the marine base? they are everywhere.

b2dude 11-28-2008 01:04 PM

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