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Old 07-16-2014, 12:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Your tax $$ at work?...

The Feds Just Seized 40 Land Rovers Imported To The U.S.

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Old 07-17-2014, 01:24 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Nothing like filing the VIN off the engine blocks and re-stamping them. This has been an ongoing issue for a couple years now.
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Old 07-19-2014, 05:57 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Nothing like filing the VIN off the engine blocks and re-stamping them. This has been an ongoing issue for a couple years now.
Sounds like they're after all of them, regardless of vin tampering or not.
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Well I sure feel a lot safer.
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Old 07-19-2014, 07:05 PM   #6 (permalink)
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If you read the warrant, it looks like import of truck prior to their 25 year rule as much as anything.
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You mean that warrant that is full of very obvious incorrect information, apparently supplied by Land Rover.....
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I read on FaceBook that the trucks have already been destroyed. Whilst I feel sorry for the owners who were victims of unscrupulous exporters/importers, it is highly likely that the trucks were rebirthed with components from vehicles stolen in UK and Europe. Another point is, that to my understanding all Defenders sold in the US through official channels, had to be fitted with rollover protection among other things. The trucks I saw that were seized and destroyed were not fitted with rollcages, so they wouldn't have complied with US safety standards anyway.
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Anyone got a link to the seizure warrant? I'm curious what it says.

I didn't think all the NAS spec were equipped with cages? Though most seem to be, could be wrong.
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All NAS had cages but 94s only had partial ones if I recall...
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This is based on seizures related to a dealership in NC that is under investigation. There have been 2 seizures, one last year and now this one. Here's a pdf of the warrant used to gain evidence…speculate away but understand only enough info was used by the lead investigator to gain a warrant for arrest of the vehicles. Has nothing to do with NAS roll cages…



Can't seem to upload the .pdf, pm me a email and I'll send it to you.

here's a link, this may be easier:
http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...=54930&page=35
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This is based on seizures related to a dealership in NC that is under investigation. There have been 2 seizures, one last year and now this one. Here's a pdf of the warrant used to gain evidence…speculate away but understand only enough info was used by the lead investigator to gain a warrant for arrest of the vehicles. Has nothing to do with NAS roll cages…



Can't seem to upload the .pdf, pm me a email and I'll send it to you.

here's a link, this may be easier:
Homeland Security took my 110 - Page 35 - Defender Source
Direct link to PDF: http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...5&d=1405714367

The table on page 16 and 17 says it all really. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
There are no vehicles with a real age of 25 or more on that list.

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My question is what deal did they make for him to roll over on those trucks....

Doubtful they have been destroyed without due process.


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Old 07-21-2014, 08:13 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Direct link to PDF: http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...5&d=1405714367

The table on page 16 and 17 says it all really. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
There are no vehicles with a real age of 25 or more on that list.
That's actually being contested, seems LRNA may have made a mistake with some of the data provided to get the warrant. Even if age is wrong, they have the trucks and most have 300tdi/td5 engines in them. Guess what, they aren't legal to install in a US, regardless if they were installed in the UK (which makes the truck illegal to import into the US) or here, as they are NOT type accepted engines in the eyes of the EPA.
The have been seized, haven't been destroyed yet and if any of these guy's think they are going to get them back, need to put the pipe down.
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Old 07-21-2014, 03:40 PM   #16 (permalink)
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That's actually being contested, seems LRNA may have made a mistake with some of the data provided to get the warrant. Even if age is wrong, they have the trucks and most have 300tdi/td5 engines in them. Guess what, they aren't legal to install in a US, regardless if they were installed in the UK (which makes the truck illegal to import into the US) or here, as they are NOT type accepted engines in the eyes of the EPA.
The have been seized, haven't been destroyed yet and if any of these guy's think they are going to get them back, need to put the pipe down.
If it was imported with a 300tdi or TD5 then it's foul of the rules isn't it? Neither of those are 25 years old.

From reading that warrant if a vehicle over 25 years old (without vin tampering or chassis/engine swaps) is imported then it is exempt. Once in the US you can swap an engine and it's about internal US emissions. Nothing to do with customs & import.
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If it was imported with a 300tdi or TD5 then it's foul of the rules isn't it? Neither of those are 25 years old.

From reading that warrant if a vehicle over 25 years old (without vin tampering or chassis/engine swaps) is imported then it is exempt. Once in the US you can swap an engine and it's about internal US emissions. Nothing to do with customs & import.
I'm pretty sure you can't legally run a 300 in the states as it's not approved and not old enough to be exempt (think by EPA)... You can do a 200 though... Engine swap stateside I mean... No 25 year old defender or older came with one..

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Engines have to be older than 21 years production date. EPA and dot rules are different calendar lengths. And EPA is same year or newer certified or excempt.


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I'm pretty sure you can't legally run a 300 in the states as it's not approved and not old enough to be exempt (think by EPA)... You can do a 200 though... Engine swap stateside I mean... No 25 year old defender or older came with one..
One guy on Reddit says his 83 was seized, but he's silent about what engine was fitted to that 83 before it was imported.
I'd expect it wasn't the 2.5NA or whatever it originally was built with in 1983.
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One guy on Reddit says his 83 was seized, but he's silent about what engine was fitted to that 83 before it was imported.
I'd expect it wasn't the 2.5NA or whatever it originally was built with in 1983.
But is it really an '83? As we all know you can make a 110/Defender of almost any age look like something else with enough parts AND throw in some chassis number tampering he might have something completely different.

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From the pdf:
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...the VIN stamping on the chassis had no asterisks at either end to start/close the
VIN, which is incorrect for a vehicle manufactured at Land Rover's Solihull
manufacturing facility;...
Looks like LRNA don't know what they are talking about on many counts. No asterisks on the chassis stamping of my 1987 110. Guess it must be a fake


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Looks like he has a heap of videos on youtube. This one looks like a 300tdi in place of a 200 or earlier engine (doors are 1989 or newer...)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIJawicCdIE

Factory Td5 by the looks...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3GnSD5shV8
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Looks like LRNA don't know what they are talking about on many counts. No asterisks on the chassis stamping of my 1987 110. Guess it must be a fake
CKD different? Yours would still be local assembly at Moorebank wouldn't it?

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If these importers just filled the cars with Illegal immigrants, they would be let right in and flown to the new owner.
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