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Old 08-25-2016, 03:51 PM   #26 (permalink)
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IIRC Blue Creek is legal to drive across, just not Deer Creek.
Maybe the bike guys had a portable ramp and used it to fly over Deer Creek?

As a 42 Routes Appellant and having raised our 28 year old Daughter running those routes, I'd hate to think that anyone would endanger the still pending reopening of this historical treasure or any of the other 42 Routes, whether in selfish defiance of the closures or dim witted ignorance!!!
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I emailed the District Ranger and Forest Supervisor earlier this month asking about the status of the Deer Valley Trail, here is their response.

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Thank-you for inquiring about the Deer Valley trail. We have been actively working to get this project through the environmental analysis process and open the route to public use. You are correct that we identified in this process there is not a S&G 100 concern with the Deer Valley trail. We did include in our proposed action a short re-route of the trail and stream bank restoration in order to reduce erosion and improve water quality and aquatic habitat. Once we have a signed decision we will be looking for volunteers to help with those projects.

The primary hurdle we need to cross is compliance with the Endangered Species Act. We need approval from the US Fish and Wildlife Service before we can proceed with the decision process. There has been a backlog in project review by the USFWS and we are waiting for their signed decision for Deer Valley. After we receive their concurrence we will begin the objection review process with a draft decision. I will be sure you are tied in to that process.

I wish I could offer a more optimistic assessment but we are in a holding pattern until we receive USFWS approval. I have cc’d Alpine County Supervisor Terry Woodrow and CORVA President Amy Granat so they can see this update as well. Also, FYI, Diana Erickson retired last year and is no longer a Forest Service employee.
Some important points are:
  • The trail has been found to be fully in compliance with S&G 100. This calls into question why it was closed in the first place.
  • Re-opening the trail does not depend on completion of the restoration and rerouting projects.
  • The forest service is waiting for US Fish and Wildlife Service approval.

One new concern is that in the last couple of days US Fish and Wildlife has added new protections for the yellow-legged fogs and toads which may live in the area.

They are planning a trail maintenance project on the north end of the trail on September 9-10 and are open to volunteers. Interested parties can contact Sean McGinness at [email protected].

Here is the Eldorado National Forest webpage related to this trail.
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Old 08-26-2016, 03:45 PM   #28 (permalink)
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I emailed the District Ranger and Forest Supervisor earlier this month asking about the status of the Deer Valley Trail, here is their response.



Some important points are:
  • The trail has been found to be fully in compliance with S&G 100. This calls into question why it was closed in the first place.
  • Re-opening the trail does not depend on completion of the restoration and rerouting projects.
  • The forest service is waiting for US Fish and Wildlife Service approval.

One new concern is that in the last couple of days US Fish and Wildlife has added new protections for the yellow-legged fogs and toads which may live in the area.

They are planning a trail maintenance project on the north end of the trail on September 9-10 and are open to volunteers. Interested parties can contact Sean McGinness at [email protected].

Here is the Eldorado National Forest webpage related to this trail.
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There isn't much sense in further remediation efforts prior to the USFWS throwing down.

Fix it all and then close it or croak it to death with further seasonal closures due to a damn frog.

Those creeks and that frog somehow managed to survive while the trail was used as a major route for commerce prior to the conception and completion of Ebbetts Pass.

Historically free flowing creeks can never be remediated to their former glory after being dammed.

Natural siltation can no longer occur below the dam and hence the creek banks/bed scrub themselves to death as a result!

In the case of Blue lakes, if any creeks below the dam happened to be Lahontan spawning areas pre-dam, they ain't now! Much like the Lahontan population once in the lakes, but for different reasons!!
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I was thinking about helping at the upcoming workday. Sounds like it may not be worth it until the USFWS makes a decision?
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I was thinking about helping at the upcoming workday. Sounds like it may not be worth it until the USFWS makes a decision?
Please don't let my sour grapes stop you!

Obviously I am angry as hell about the 42 Routes debacle!!

It's very frustrating to me on a personal level with nearly five decades of wonderful memories locked up in these and others long closed permanently on the EDNF and surrounding forests, feels like drip torture.

Please give this consideration.

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Thanks for the above.
Prior to becoming ill in 2014 my son and I and our club donated many hours to the Rubicon trail workdays. Now that I am somewhat better I am determined to give as much of my time as possible. Deer Valley is one of my favorite trails and I too want to see it re-opened, especially since it never should have been closed in the first place. I am going to contact the Motherlode Rockcrawlers and see how we can help.
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Thanks for the above.
Prior to becoming ill in 2014 my son and I and our club donated many hours to the Rubicon trail workdays. Now that I am somewhat better I am determined to give as much of my time as possible. Deer Valley is one of my favorite trails and I too want to see it re-opened, especially since it never should have been closed in the first place. I am going to contact the Motherlode Rockcrawlers and see how we can help.
I am glad your health is improving! I very much share and appreciate your love for that trail along with your desire and determination to get it re-opened!

Unfortunately we have nothing to run on it thanks to the Calaveras Butte Fire.
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I am going to contact the Motherlode Rockcrawlers and see how we can help.
Just an FYI
Deer Valley has been the adopt-a-trail by South County Trail Riders out of San Jose
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Just an FYI
Deer Valley has been the adopt-a-trail by South County Trail Riders out of San Jose
Thanks for letting me know I am just passing on the info I received from Cal 4 Wheel.

Quote and link from the email I received:

The following is a link to the event on the Motherlode Rockcrawlers Facebook page. The text below is the content from the page for those who don’t FB. https://www.facebook.com/events/945831625542434/
"Asking for help on the Deer Valley Trail repairs. Hauling and/or stacking rocks to fix part of the trail 1/2 mile in on the trail from Blue Lakes. Please contact Ron Delaney at 209-304-3491 / or [email protected]. We will be providing lunch


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Volunteers needed for Deer Valley Trail maintenance September 9-11
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I am not on the book of faces so I can't confirm the link from Motherlode's facebook page. I did email Ron earlier in the day.
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Old 08-29-2016, 07:23 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Just received an email response from Ron Delaney:

We are moving 20 yards of rock from the dam into the trail .4 mile. we need some helpers to load / unload / spread / haul /rock. we are getting use of some rock hauling jeep trailers from FOTR , so we are looking for drivers to haul back and forth. We will be loading with a tractor hopefully then we need an unloading crew to place rock in position. We also will be having lunch available, might need some lunch crew help/ registration/ sign in. This will start each day @ 9:00 Friday/ Sat/Sun. Our club is camping down by Scott Lake rd on Hwy 88 and will commute to Blue Lakes each day. (14) miles. Please let me know how many helpers you can get, for which days, what they might be best suited for.That way we can plan for the food. I am in and out this week as I am up to talk to the forest service tommorow. Thanks RON
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Interesting that they are doing it, as I knew that up till last year South County was the adopt a trail group.
maybe they are working on it together.

Motherlode Rockcrawlers site list these trails they have adopted

Our Current Adopt-A-Trails:
Onion Valley Trail, El Dorado National Forest 8N03 (Lower Pardoe Trail)
Squaw Ridge, El Dorado National Forest 9N82 ( Upper Pardoe Trail)
Mud Lake Loop, El Dorado National Forest 9N04
Porthole Gap Trail, El Dorado National Forest 17E24
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Laurence Crabtree just released the F&W document agreeing with the ENF that the proposed action "may affect, but is most likely not to adversely effect" the Lahontan Cutthroat and yellow legged frog.

That means we've passed the F&W hurdle and are moving forward!

The whole document has been posted on my website www.TheOtherRubicon.com



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Great news!!

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Put me on the volunteer list, I have a pintle hook and have hauled FOTR trailers before. Thanks for makin' this happen
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I have been a member of Motherlode Rockcrawlers club for nearly 10 years now. Del Albright belonged to this club for many many years. Our club president is being pro-active in working with the forest service rangers and doing everything we can to help re-open all the trails. When they said this rock placement would be a good thing, of course our club volunteered to help...

So, if anyone would like to give us a hand in getting this done this weekend, you're all welcome to join us. We could use all the hands we can get. Let's show the rangers how we can get stuff done, and get it done right. You don't even have to contact anyone, just show up at 9 am on Friday, Sat and possibly Sunday. If we have enough hands, it'll probably be done by Sat...

Thank you. Hope to see y'all there...
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Well apparently nobody reads this topic anymore. Or nobody cares. It's ok though. We managed to move the 43 tons of rock and place it in the area of concern, in only two days. Thanks to the people that did care and did show up to help...
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I do care just could not make it. Thanks for the amazing effort. the rock hardening looks fantastic!
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I do care just could not make it.
I also care but unfortunately I could not make this work weekend. I will try to make any future work weekends.
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Any pictures of the good work?
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I have been a member of Motherlode Rockcrawlers club for nearly 10 years now. Del Albright belonged to this club for many many years. Our club president is being pro-active in working with the forest service rangers and doing everything we can to help re-open all the trails. When they said this rock placement would be a good thing, of course our club volunteered to help...

So, if anyone would like to give us a hand in getting this done this weekend, you're all welcome to join us. We could use all the hands we can get. Let's show the rangers how we can get stuff done, and get it done right. You don't even have to contact anyone, just show up at 9 am on Friday, Sat and possibly Sunday. If we have enough hands, it'll probably be done by Sat...

Thank you. Hope to see y'all there...
Thankyou Glenn and the Motherload Rockcrawlers for putting on an amazingly well coordinated project.

I was only able to help out Saturday but I learned a ton and hope to emulate your club's efforts when my own club help's the forest service on our adopted trail. Shame that I only saw one JK out there. Guess that tells you something about JK owners.

In all seriousness the Motherload Rock Crawlers did an amazing job. The forest service had 4 people out there and handled getting the rock delivered to the trailhead (2 ~20 ton transfers, paid for by our green sticker funds?) but after that it was all on the volunteers. The club hosting had signs directing people to the trailhead, a registration tent with coffee and donuts, appropriate wavers and safety talks about the equipment, hosted a bbq lunch for everyone there, water jugs at the work site, and advertised the project so that Cal-4-wheel had people there as well as Del Albright. One of the club members brought his tractor with a front end loader to load the trailers. The trailers (5 of them) were borrowed from the Rubicon Trail Foundation and are custom built for rock hauling on the trail. They were custom made by the Vorazzo shop in placerville out of at least 1/4" steel, on 35s, and had air powered dump beds. Seriously cool pieces of equipment.

This was an example of a well executed trail repair project. I got a few phone numbers and will for sure be following up with them for some more planning tips for when work can finally start on Strawberry. If I learned anything it is that there is a lot more involved in these trail repair issues on the federal side than on the volunteer side. I look forward to helping the forest service address the remaining issues on Deer Valley to finally get the trail open.

I believe Del Albright and Cal-4-Wheel have posted some pics of the work on Facebook but I snapped a few pics myself.
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Fantastic job folks!!

Many thanks to the Rubicon Trail Foundation, FORT, Motherlode Rockcrawlers, Lake Tahoe Hi-Lo's, other clubs and independent wheelers for all the effort that went into this and other projects that make keeping our trails open a reality!

The “42 Routes” Appellants deserve a HUGE shout out as well. They deserve Gold Medals for attending, weathering some or all of the damn meetings, having the stomachs to sit across the table from you know who (and her cronies) while holding down their lunches and tempers, attending some or all of the seemingly endless site visits, providing post site visit comment submissions and last but not least . . . performing the tedious task of "Forest Service errors/omissions" oversight, no small undertaking in an effort to keep things straight.

My hat is off to every wheeler, club and wheeling org involved in helping restore our beloved “42 Routes” access!!!

I can only envision one small issue of contention; the rock supplied by the Forest Service is an invasive species not indigenous to that specific segment of the trail.

Bless You All . . . Bob
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Looks great and thanks for everyone's efforts. I too would have been there if not for the fact Jeep was apart for repairs and had family commitments that weekend. Is there a contact list for future work parties on Deer Valley and Strawberry, or any other trail for that matter? I would like to get on it.

I grew up learning to "wheel" on both these trails, and now live local in Placerville but now can't use them. Ready, willing and able to lend a hand, tow rocks, or what ever is needed.
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Looks great and thanks for everyone's efforts. I too would have been there if not for the fact Jeep was apart for repairs and had family commitments that weekend. Is there a contact list for future work parties on Deer Valley and Strawberry, or any other trail for that matter? I would like to get on it.

I grew up learning to "wheel" on both these trails, and now live local in Placerville but now can't use them. Ready, willing and able to lend a hand, tow rocks, or what ever is needed.
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