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Old 09-14-2016, 06:54 PM   #51 (permalink)
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I see PM I need to read. About 10 years ago I used my trailer to tow a full load of cinder blocks from Loon to Spider Lake for the Ham 805 repeater. Was a fun trip, towing all the way up to the now built tower. That repeater sure has been a life saver for many.

Hope to help out on Deer Valley and Strawberry.
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Old 09-16-2016, 08:34 AM   #52 (permalink)
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So now that this has been accomplished, what work remains until the trail can be returned to full use?
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Old 09-19-2016, 09:06 PM   #53 (permalink)
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So now that this has been accomplished, what work remains until the trail can be returned to full use?
The worst kind, paper work. I believe right now we are waiting on final decisions to be drafted, put out for public comment, comments to be addressed, and decisions to be recorded. That said, the trail will never be returned to full use as there will be some seasonal closures that didnt exist before it closed.
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Old 09-19-2016, 10:18 PM   #54 (permalink)
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That said, the trail will never be returned to full use as there will be some seasonal closures that didnt exist before it closed.
Reality sucks but that is the true . . . REALITY!!!
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Old 09-20-2016, 09:07 PM   #55 (permalink)
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The thing about this seasonal closure it that it will be based on science not just one ranger's thought that it's time to close the trail.

Measure the snowfall, wait the time, open the trail. Close it on January 1st. Every year the same process.
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Old 09-21-2016, 11:38 AM   #56 (permalink)
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Science and Rangers, neither are perfect.

June, late '80s just past sunrise, hit trail at Hermit, three rigs, no snow, gate open.

Through the "gate keeper" dude coming out on bike says too much snow, next some hiker says the same thing. We'll see . . .

Less than a mile in, hard icy 4-6' drifts in shaded areas sloped 45 degrees downhill into the trees. Trenched up slope for tires using the one full size shovel between us, inching along, broke it not halfway though the areas, we're screwed, grab the folders!

All took turns trenching with the folders while one spent an hour trying to clear handle remnants from shovel head, whittling broken end to fit, finally shovel fixed, we proceeded.

More slopes, rig swallowing thin ice bridges, much winching and finally . . . ground now free of snow, soon we approach the meadow near sunset where we camped for the night.

Morning comes, eat and leave only to encounter locked gate across road.

Stand around feeding Mosquitos pondering what to do, up drives Ranger from other side!

Excellent . . . NOT!!!

Full on azzhat, starts right in (after douching in Deet) ticket book in hand.

We explain, he says no way, too much snow . . . besides, gate locked at Hermit. Ticket time . . .

Whoa buddy, WAY! Gate locked, NOT!! Been over there? Didn't think so, radio yur buddies on that side . . . they'll tell ya.

Seems like hours pass, exits rig . . . no ticket book, unlocks gate, off we go gate slamming locked behind us!!!

Even abiding by all the well known rules in place this Century . . .

Just sayin' . . . Science and Rangers will never be perfect.
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Old 09-21-2016, 05:34 PM   #57 (permalink)
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....Close it on January 1st.
Um..... you know that wont be true.
any year with early rains, the Seasonal closure goes into effect before Jan 1
sometime mid November. in heavy years it does not end until mid May (one year was 178 days I believe)

the closure for Deer Valley will be in addition to the closure that effects the complete forest.

I expect the closure to be in excess of 6 months on an average
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Old 09-29-2016, 03:50 PM   #58 (permalink)
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DECISION
Based upon my review of the Deer Valley 4wd Trail Meadow Restoration and Blue
Lakes/Meadow Lake Road Maintenance Project Environmental Assessment (EA), the
supporting documentation, and a review of public comments, I have decided to implement
Alternative 3, the modified seasonal closure based on documented snowmelt at the Blue Lakes
snow sensor station. I have also decided to extend the seasonal closure to cover the entire Deer
Valley 4wd trail (19E01) on the Eldorado NF rather than only the portion of the trail closed by
the Travel Management SEIS (see attached map). This will simplify compliance with the new
seasonal closure for the public, while also providing necessary protection for Yosemite toads and
designated Critical Habitat occurring along the northern portion of the trail. The implementation
of this decision will reopen two important routes closed by the 2013 Travel Management SEIS to
public wheeled motorized vehicles, complete important road maintenance and meadow
restoration activities, and enact a new Forest Order for 19E01 and 09N01 implementing a
seasonal closure to reduce impacts to Yosemite toad from public motorized wheeled vehicle use.
A full description of Alternative 3 is found in the EA.
My selection of Alternative 3 considers the public comments received in response to the Scoping
Notice and circulation of the Preliminary Environmental Assessment, consultation with U.S. Fish
and Wildlife Service (USFWS), and discussions with the Interdisciplinary Team (ID Team). In
making this decision, I intend to implement all resource protection design criteria identified for
Alternative 3 in the EA, as well as all Terms and Conditions included in the Biological Opinion
issued from the USFWS for the project.

http://a123.g.akamai.net/7/123/11558...T3_3893760.pdf


all the documents are here

http://www.fs.usda.gov/wps/portal/fs...?project=45439
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Old 09-29-2016, 03:57 PM   #59 (permalink)
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Measure the snowfall, wait the time, open the trail. Close it on January 1st. Every year the same process.
just so everyone understands.
it is not how much snow has fallen over the winter, it will be
once the snow has melted at the Blue Lakes snow gauge, wait 6 weeks then the trail may be opened.


"In addition a gate will be installed per
the Terms and Conditions issued by the USFWS in their Biological Opinion"
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A full seven weeks (on average) to enjoy trail? Did I read that correctly???
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A full seven weeks (on average) to enjoy trail? Did I read that correctly???
6 weeks after snow melt.
snowmelt is determined to be when there is less than or equal to 1.0 inches of water content on the BLK snow gauge.

have to find what the historic data is for snowmelt at that site to see what the opening dates would really look like
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have to find what the historic data is for snowmelt at that site to see what the opening dates would really look like
from the EA
here is the estimated dates the trail would open.
closing would be done when the seasonal closure effects the rest of the Forest

Based on past data at the Blue Lakes Snow Gauge, the average date the trail would be open is July 18, but could be as early as June 24 or as late as August 20th.

based on the average I would have to guess about 20 weeks it would be open
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Old 09-29-2016, 05:45 PM   #63 (permalink)
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from the EA
based on the average I would have to guess about 20 weeks it would be open
From a purely historic perspective I find 20 weeks a bit optimistic but given the continuing drought perhaps it is possible . . . "hope for the best, expect the worst" and all that there crap!
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Thanks for posting this, I didn't get the notification from the FS. Looks like the proposed trail repairs havent changed from what i was told in person and are more official (one step closer!!!).

-More rock placement to harden crossing approaches at Deer Valley (should be a smaller project than the most recent one)
-Larger boulders to keep crossing from widening (might need equipment depending on the size of the rock?)
-Trail reroute for northwest approach mentioned above. (looks like ~100ft of new trail and blocking old trail)

I look forward to helping out with these projects and whichever club puts the work days on.
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Thanks for posting this, I didn't get the notification from the FS. Looks like the proposed trail repairs havent changed from what i was told in person and are more official (one step closer!!!).

-More rock placement to harden crossing approaches at Deer Valley (should be a smaller project than the most recent one)
-Larger boulders to keep crossing from widening (might need equipment depending on the size of the rock?)
-Trail reroute for northwest approach mentioned above. (looks like ~100ft of new trail and blocking old trail)

I look forward to helping out with these projects and whichever club puts the work days on.

with adequate notice, me too.
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Old 12-01-2016, 04:42 PM   #66 (permalink)
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Here's the latest update from the Forest Service.

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Rick Hopson has signed the Decision Notice/Finding of No Significant Impact (DN/FONSI) selecting Alternative 3, the modified seasonal closure, for the Deer Valley 4wd Trail Meadow Restoration and Blue Lakes/Meadow Lake Road Maintenance Environmental Assessment (EA).

Details of the Deer Valley 4wd Trail Meadow Restoration and Blue Lakes/Meadow Lake Road Maintenance Project, including the DN/FONSI, EA, and specialist reports can be found on the Eldorado National Forest website at: Forest Service or Eldorado - Projects. To obtain a hard copy of the DN/FONSI or EA, please contact Matt Brown, IDT Leader, 530-647-5390 or [email protected].

The Deer Valley 4wd Trail (19E01) will be reopened immediately as conditions permit. The Blue Lakes/Meadow Lake Road (9N01) would be reopened and added back to the Motor Vehicle Use Map (MVUM) after the corrective actions are implemented to bring routes in compliance with S&G 100. These corrective actions are anticipated to be completed in summer/fall 2017.
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