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Bebe 01-10-2020 03:11 PM

Interesting Tactic - This could work!!
 
So, in this video, and Man explains how he stopped a travel management plan. I've been meaning to reach out to him for an Article, but though I would run this by you all first.

Is this a thing?


Shadow man 01-22-2020 08:52 PM

I know this guy personally. Yes, it worked. Yes, look at their budgets and dissect the hell out of these agencies budgets and they sure don't like it. I take it you subscribe to Jeep Momma.

Bebe 01-23-2020 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Shadow man (Post 44781642)
I know this guy personally. Yes, it worked. Yes, look at their budgets and dissect the hell out of these agencies budgets and they sure don't like it. I take it you subscribe to Jeep Momma.


I did.

I like her :smokin:

Can you get me an intro to the guy in the vid? He's from Nevada? (EDIT: Arizona).

Tech Tim 01-23-2020 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Bebe (Post 44763266)
So, in this video, and Man explains how he stopped a travel management plan. I've been meaning to reach out to him for an Article, but though I would run this by you all first.


That would be awesome!

Bebe 01-23-2020 11:39 AM

In theory, this should work for all Federal Agencies.

Gotta dust off my FOIA requests !!

Shadow man 01-23-2020 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bebe (Post 44782116)
I did.

I like her :smokin:

Can you get me an intro to the guy in the vid? He's from Nevada? (EDIT: Arizona).

What is it that you are wanting, specifically? I KNOW he's busy working with many other entities right now as we speak on land use closures. Additionally, are you familiar with the American Mining Rights Association? They ARE very active in land access also. They are getting onboard. AMRA is the ONLY pro-land use association I contribute to. These "other" 4x4 land use Orgs is so disappointing to me, I ignore them.

Basically Rick doesn't work on a compromise. It's fight and nothing is to be given up, because as you know, the communists come back later and take some more. He was a Newspaper Editor and a reporter. He knows how to dig and get the dirt.

He investigated the last attempt to steal trails in Mohave county and went out and documented the trails they said were to be left open for 4x4 use. Those trails were LONG gone. Absolutely unusable, many were not even able to be used as a single track. So in theory, the proposed trails closures would have resulted in a hell off a lot more miles of trails closed because of the "open" trails actually were not open. He proved the plan was a sham as they did NOT go out and look at the trails. They probably used their old maps and google earth at best to decide which trails were to be closed. Obviously there is a lot more to it than I put out here.

Bebe 01-24-2020 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Shadow man (Post 44782908)
What is it that you are wanting, specifically? I KNOW he's busy working with many other entities right now as we speak on land use closures.

I want to know more about the budget piece. How to ask, what to ask for....specifically. Is is a FOIA Request and if so, how to word the request to make them pee their pants the moment they read it.

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Additionally, are you familiar with the American Mining Rights Association? They ARE very active in land access also. They are getting onboard. AMRA is the ONLY pro-land use association I contribute to.
Of course...they have been heavily utilized and supported in the Tahoe and Eldorado NF travel management plans.

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These "other" 4x4 land use Orgs is so disappointing to me, I ignore them.
Agreed. Live and learn, Right?

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Basically Rick doesn't work on a compromise. It's fight and nothing is to be given up, because as you know, the communists come back later and take some more. He was a Newspaper Editor and a reporter. He knows how to dig and get the dirt.
That's how we started, but were told that we were doing it wrong. Some listened and some didn't Those of us who didn't Sued the Tahoe National Forest all the way to the 9th circuit.

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He investigated the last attempt to steal trails in Mohave county and went out and documented the trails they said were to be left open for 4x4 use. Those trails were LONG gone. Absolutely unusable, many were not even able to be used as a single track. So in theory, the proposed trails closures would have resulted in a hell off a lot more miles of trails closed because of the "open" trails actually were not open.
Our issue became Sierra Pacific Industries. That's another story.

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He proved the plan was a sham as they did NOT go out and look at the trails. They probably used their old maps and google earth at best to decide which trails were to be closed. Obviously there is a lot more to it than I put out here.
We did this, and it bit us in the ass. Since then, I recommend that you do get out and map every trail, and DON'T share it with the Forest Service/BLM.

I listened to the video and took notes. We hit everything he bullet pointed and more. But what we didn't do was the budget. We talked about it....but didn't follow through.


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