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Old 09-03-2008, 07:06 PM   #51 (permalink)
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I was there in a past life...let me know if you want my info
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Old 09-04-2008, 12:15 AM   #52 (permalink)
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Ok, emailing my list off - 59 names with contact info. Some sent a name but I need some sort of contact info to go with it. If you can help me add to my list please get in touch. I can always send a followup but this one is heading out for now..
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Old 09-06-2008, 12:31 AM   #53 (permalink)
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jergins trail

Is there still usfs trail number, where is the trail, I have people in Foresthill that would help open it up. thanks
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Old 09-06-2008, 05:34 PM   #54 (permalink)
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Boulder Mine(Jergens) Trail

Brandon, I found some more photos we could use.....more if I look deep in
the box...and some of Grady snorkling. No I can't post them! OH, Ive been using this trail and others down there for over 40 years, as I live there....almost!
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Old 09-08-2008, 08:43 PM   #56 (permalink)
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Brandon, I found some more photos we could use.....more if I look deep in
the box...and some of Grady snorkling. No I can't post them! OH, Ive been using this trail and others down there for over 40 years, as I live there....almost!
That was a good time


The oldest picture you have would really help. Thanks
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Old 09-09-2008, 08:02 PM   #57 (permalink)
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Old 09-10-2008, 10:04 AM   #58 (permalink)
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I went there to fish in the 90's, tapered off as my kids grew up and needed more time. Problably 20 time or so.
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Old 10-17-2008, 10:02 AM   #59 (permalink)
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it goes to court next month, I turned in my list of contact info and I am waiting.. like you

If anyone else wants to be added to the list it isn't to late!!
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Old 10-21-2008, 06:01 PM   #61 (permalink)
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I BELEAVE YOU ALL READY HAVE MINE BUT IF NOT I WILL PM YOU with it. and i also have a bunch of old pics of the trail and if you still need them hit me up and i will dig them out. aaron
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Old 02-14-2009, 04:31 PM   #62 (permalink)
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So does anybody know the out come of this?
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Old 02-14-2009, 05:41 PM   #63 (permalink)
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Still closed, don't know what, if anything is in the works.
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I've got the guys number next to my computer, been meaning to call. They have a bit of a vested interest (mining claims) so chances are they are not going to announce if they gain access..
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Old 11-06-2009, 02:38 PM   #65 (permalink)
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Old 11-20-2010, 01:09 AM   #66 (permalink)
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none that I know of, anyone else?

Anyone know any fun trails around? I miss being able to go play without driving two hours..
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Old 11-20-2010, 10:27 AM   #67 (permalink)
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none that I know of, anyone else?

Anyone know any fun trails around? I miss being able to go play without driving two hours..
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Old 11-25-2010, 12:05 PM   #68 (permalink)
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Old 11-27-2010, 03:12 PM   #69 (permalink)
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Can anybody give me some coordinates or a map to where the trailhead was? The trail closed a little before my time as I am only 17 so not sure where the exact location is. Google maps seems to show the trail as Rescue Rd. from what I've gathered where the general vicinity of the trail is. Correct me if I am wrong though. I want to know the exact location because I may know the land owner restricting access. All I know is he has a key to a gate to a trail that led through BLM land that went to the confluence of Weber Creek and the American River. Seems to fit the description. I would love to see this trail open as it seems to be within only 5 minutes from my house. Anybody have any updates or whom to contact in the BLM office? Also did a little research on public easements. Was there a documented case of what this landowners agreements were in regards to the easement? Because if there was an original agreement that the landowners property would be used for public easement to the BLM land then technically he has no right to shut down the trail. PM me the directions so its not out in the public. Thanks.

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Old 11-28-2010, 09:05 AM   #70 (permalink)
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These are many years back. Green Valley to Deer Valley. There is a house below that has a dedicated entrance to the trail, atleast he did..

Trail to the right.. behind the fence.

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Old 11-30-2010, 09:35 PM   #71 (permalink)
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Thanks, Brandon. I've been trying to get some answers form BLM but they have yet to get back to me. Well anyways I read the final draft of the management plan for the South Fork of the American River and despite the initial goal of BLM to keep Boulder Mine Rd., Jurgen's trail, open as they stated earlier in the draft they passed Action 58. Action 58 closed all of the South Fork American River Management Area to off-road use.

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Old 12-01-2010, 02:47 AM   #72 (permalink)
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The major change for this area revolves around the Pine Hill Preserve... here's some of the back-story.
https://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8034
https://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5953
https://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7931
https://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12704
https://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17553
https://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36937
https://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=227930

Also, here's an older document i wrote:
http://www.4x4wire.com/isuzu/randii/...ing_Points.doc

We were outmaneuvered and outgunned, and this is going to be a tough one to reverse unless the property owner at the bottom is fully onboard... and even then, BLM is working from status quo, now, and The Folsom Field Office has not been a friend to OHV. Through even as late as a few years ago, illegal access continued from the top by property owners from Kanaka valley Road, but the BLM closed them out, too... even if they don't enforce it.

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Old 12-02-2010, 01:56 PM   #73 (permalink)
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Here is a reply to an email I sent about a week ago in regards to the trail.

"Thanks for your comments regarding motorized use on BLM-administered land in the South Fork American River area and the Boulder Mine/Weber Creek area specifically.

The South Fork plan including Action 58 was adopted by BLM in 2004 after years of public meetings/involvement. The OHV community was extensively involved in public meetings specific to the motorized use issue in the Boulder Mine/Weber Creek area. In the end, the public recommended closing the road to the Weber Creek confluence to motorized use.

The road in question was NOT designated as a motorized route (in other words, it was closed to this use) under our master management plan---the 2008 Sierra Management Plan---which was four years in development including numerous public meetings (two held in Placerville), comment periods on draft planning documents, and many other opportunities for the public (including the OHV community) to get involved. Though we received scores of comments and even an appeal by the OHV community in Nevada County concerning our route decisions in the Greenhorn Creek area, we did not receive a single comment on the Boulder Mine/Weber Creek area.

After years of land-use planning we have no interest in revisiting our motorized use decisions in El Dorado County.

As for the Boulder Mine/Weber Creek area, this is a MOOT point. There is currently NO general public access to the road in question. The access across private land via Jurgens Road has been destroyed/blocked by the private landowner. Access across private land via Kanaka Valley Road is blocked by multiple gates. The general public has no right to pass.

James"

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Old 12-02-2010, 04:22 PM   #74 (permalink)
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major thanks for the interest, the whole process and history just makes me sick

It's nice that the BLM worked so well together with us to restore and maintain the area right before closing it

My last involvement was with the local land owner. Can't blame him for not wanting trash in his backyard, parties, etc. At the time he did have his own access though, and a rig to use on it. I wonder if ANYONE is using the road anymore..

I'd like to even ride it on my mountain bike, if I could get to it..
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Old 12-03-2010, 01:31 AM   #75 (permalink)
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The South Fork plan including Action 58 was adopted by BLM in 2004 after years of public meetings/involvement. The OHV community was extensively involved in public meetings specific to the motorized use issue in the Boulder Mine/Weber Creek area. In the end, the public recommended closing the road to the Weber Creek confluence to motorized use.
This is a bullshit revisionist rewrite on the way it went down...

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The road in question was NOT designated as a motorized route under ... the 2008 Sierra Management Plan---which was four years in development including numerous public meetings ... and many other opportunities for the public to get involved. ...we did not receive a single comment on the Boulder Mine/Weber Creek area.
This is closer to the truth, but c'mon, was it practical to think that anyone would comment about retaining theoretical access to an inheld property to which actual access was unavailable? r-a-i-l-r-o-a-d...

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After years of land-use planning we have no interest in revisiting our motorized use decisions in El Dorado County.
This is probably the MOST true statement ever heard from the BLM Folsom Field Office... problem is that this has been their approach for more than a decade: they have no interest in allowing motorized use on BLM land. So much for their much-claimed multiple-use mission.

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I'd like to even ride it on my mountain bike, if I could get to it..
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