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Old 07-23-2010, 06:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
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USFS is trying to close more in Slade KY

http://www.kentuckykrawlers.org/foru...php?f=3&t=5975

Absolutely an abomination if we let this all happen again just like the White's Branch Arch trail...
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Old 07-25-2010, 07:36 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Please call this guy if you ever want to wheel here in KY:

Dave Manner
District Ranger
Daniel Boone National Forest
Cumberland Ranger District
2375 KY 801 South
Morehead, Kentucky 40351
606-784-6428 Office
[email protected]


Tell him to propose the Sandlick/Big Bend Area an official OHV Trail System since i's been open to OHV use for decades and is listed as open on the motor vehicle use map. He is trying to propose a ban without ever recognizing the cultural tradition and public desire to use the land as an OHV system. He is also going in the backdoor by hiding the correct status of his project all year, listing it as "on hold" until this past Friday when I called him on it and he says basically, "Oh, my bad, that was funded, we have data and analysis... nope, no plans for an official OHV Trail System there... reserve your comments for the comment period (when I ban OHV's)".

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Old 07-25-2010, 08:42 AM   #3 (permalink)
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That sucks. I wheeled there about 10 years ago and loved it. I hope that I have the option to go back one day.
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Make the call!


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Gave him a call and voiced my concerns. Let a couple other folks here in the L'ville area and Ohio and southern Indiana know too, hope they call/email. Gonna drop Mitch an email too while I'm at it.
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Old 07-27-2010, 06:25 AM   #7 (permalink)
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anyone get any feedback from USFS folks?
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too late, or can we still call/write?
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Old 07-27-2010, 10:38 AM   #9 (permalink)
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They USFS needs to hear that people will come to an official OHV trail system in Slade, KY with their money, voters, and stewardship. This area is really unique, it has sandstone arches, slickrock trails, and forest diversity rivaling any on other place on earth.

He is planning to propose "something" in September, of which he says does not include a plan to officialize the OHV area. He needs to hear from as many people as possible, hence my whistle blowing early in the game.

If he proposes the area with an OHV ban, we have to "comment", in other words plead our case to reverse that proposal. He can ignore the comments and take the action. Or... we can convince him to propose the area to be what it has been for decades, what it is listed as in the MVUM's, and what we, the end user groups want it to be... a well maintained and sustainable multi-use OHV trail system in concert with the community and USFS officials that simply injects money into the local economy while giving us a place to ride.

So yes, there still is time
Just trying not to behind the eightball for once

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Nice work on being proactive.

I got his voicemail, and left him a very nice message encouraging him to add an official OHV Trail System in the Sandlick/Big Bend area. I noted that I enjoy taking 4-wheeling vacations with my family, and it looks like an incredible place to visit, and to enjoy responsible OHV recreation.

Good luck and keep me posted if I can comment more!!
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Old 07-27-2010, 11:46 AM   #11 (permalink)
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THANKS! If everyone who actually takes the time to wrench nightly took the time to do what you did.... we'll be in great shape
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I don't have time to wrench nightly.
My rig will wait, my kids are growing before my eyes, and my #1 priority is spending time with them.

I don't have time not to send letters and place phone calls.
My kids are growing before my eyes, and I want them to have the same recreation opportunities I have--and would love for them to have the opportunities I had when I was a kid!! Our country is getting overrun with Socialist greenies. We all have to fight back--together!
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Old 07-27-2010, 02:09 PM   #13 (permalink)
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yours is the exact reason I am on this

I have a 7 week old son, 2 year old daughter, and 4 year old daughter... they need wild places !
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yours is the exact reason I am on this

I have a 7 week old son, 2 year old daughter, and 4 year old daughter... they need wild places !

I'm planning on emailing Mitch Mcconnell and Jim Bunning(yeah I know he is on his way out but it can't hurt) before the week is out about this issue. Also planning on sending out an email to Yarmouth....hey why not, it can't hurt.....
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Old 07-28-2010, 06:08 AM   #15 (permalink)
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McConnell's info
http://mcconnell.senate.gov/public/i...?p=ContactForm

Bunning's

http://www.congressmerge.com/onlined...=congressmerge

Thanks to everyone making their wishes known
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Have you talked to any small businesses in the Sandlick/Big Bend area? Grocery stores, gas stations, campgrounds, motels, service stations/mechanics?

Letters from the businesses affected by this area not being a legitimate OHV area and the economic impact they will suffer during this extremely negative economy......
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I've emailed the forestery service twice now in the past 4 days and have yet to get any response. Anyone have any luck talking to those folks down there?



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McConnell's info
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Bunning's

http://www.congressmerge.com/onlined...=congressmerge

Thanks to everyone making their wishes known
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I've been in contact with them all year on this issue and last I heard from them, Dave Manner emailed me Monday morning, likely before people started contacting him. Now it seems they clammed up? Not sure what to make of it. All I know is that if we don't hear something soon I'm thinking we may need to request a status update with something legally binding.

Again, he cannot propose the area with an OHV ban or we are in a bad way with regards to the ultimate decision on the trails.

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I had at least a 15 minute conversation with him on Monday, but like said earlier that was most likely before he was getting inundated with calls.
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Please sign and please PASS THIS LINK ALONG TO EVERYONE!



http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/sandlick/

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http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/sandlick/

I signed yours will you sign mine?

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I sent a letter MX... this land use climate is really ominous
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bump for more sigs

get involved!


http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/sandlick/
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