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wayneraintree · 07-23-2010, 06:21 PM

http://www.kentuckykrawlers.org/foru...php?f=3&t=5975

Absolutely an abomination if we let this all happen again just like the White's Branch Arch trail...

wayneraintree · 07-25-2010, 07:36 AM

Please call this guy if you ever want to wheel here in KY:

Dave Manner
District Ranger
Daniel Boone National Forest
Cumberland Ranger District
2375 KY 801 South
Morehead, Kentucky 40351
606-784-6428 Office
[email protected]

Tell him to propose the Sandlick/Big Bend Area an official OHV Trail System since i's been open to OHV use for decades and is listed as open on the motor vehicle use map. He is trying to propose a ban without ever recognizing the cultural tradition and public desire to use the land as an OHV system. He is also going in the backdoor by hiding the correct status of his project all year, listing it as "on hold" until this past Friday when I called him on it and he says basically, "Oh, my bad, that was funded, we have data and analysis... nope, no plans for an official OHV Trail System there... reserve your comments for the comment period (when I ban OHV's)".

Help!

InstaGator · 07-25-2010, 08:42 AM

That sucks. I wheeled there about 10 years ago and loved it. I hope that I have the option to go back one day.

wayneraintree · 07-25-2010, 08:47 AM

Make the call!

Badger1 · 07-26-2010, 01:20 PM

Gave him a call and voiced my concerns. Let a couple other folks here in the L'ville area and Ohio and southern Indiana know too, hope they call/email. Gonna drop Mitch an email too while I'm at it.

wayneraintree · 07-26-2010, 02:12 PM

that rules

wayneraintree · 07-27-2010, 06:25 AM

anyone get any feedback from USFS folks?

MT4Runner · 07-27-2010, 08:15 AM

too late, or can we still call/write?

wayneraintree · 07-27-2010, 10:38 AM

They USFS needs to hear that people will come to an official OHV trail system in Slade, KY with their money, voters, and stewardship. This area is really unique, it has sandstone arches, slickrock trails, and forest diversity rivaling any on other place on earth.

He is planning to propose "something" in September, of which he says does not include a plan to officialize the OHV area. He needs to hear from as many people as possible, hence my whistle blowing early in the game.

If he proposes the area with an OHV ban, we have to "comment", in other words plead our case to reverse that proposal. He can ignore the comments and take the action. Or... we can convince him to propose the area to be what it has been for decades, what it is listed as in the MVUM's, and what we, the end user groups want it to be... a well maintained and sustainable multi-use OHV trail system in concert with the community and USFS officials that simply injects money into the local economy while giving us a place to ride.

So yes, there still is time

Just trying not to behind the eightball for once

MT4Runner · 07-27-2010, 11:38 AM

Nice work on being proactive.

I got his voicemail, and left him a very nice message encouraging him to add an official OHV Trail System in the Sandlick/Big Bend area. I noted that I enjoy taking 4-wheeling vacations with my family, and it looks like an incredible place to visit, and to enjoy responsible OHV recreation.

Good luck and keep me posted if I can comment more!!

wayneraintree · 07-27-2010, 11:46 AM

THANKS! If everyone who actually takes the time to wrench nightly took the time to do what you did.... we'll be in great shape

MT4Runner · 07-27-2010, 01:46 PM

I don't have time to wrench nightly.

My rig will wait, my kids are growing before my eyes, and my #1 priority is spending time with them.

I don't have time not to send letters and place phone calls.
My kids are growing before my eyes, and I want them to have the same recreation opportunities I have--and would love for them to have the opportunities I had when I was a kid!! Our country is getting overrun with Socialist greenies. We all have to fight back--together!

wayneraintree · 07-27-2010, 02:09 PM

yours is the exact reason I am on this

I have a 7 week old son, 2 year old daughter, and 4 year old daughter... they need wild places !

Badger1 · 07-27-2010, 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wayneraintree

yours is the exact reason I am on this

I have a 7 week old son, 2 year old daughter, and 4 year old daughter... they need wild places !

I'm planning on emailing Mitch Mcconnell and Jim Bunning(yeah I know he is on his way out but it can't hurt) before the week is out about this issue. Also planning on sending out an email to Yarmouth....hey why not, it can't hurt.....

wayneraintree · 07-28-2010, 06:08 AM

McConnell's info
http://mcconnell.senate.gov/public/i...?p=ContactForm

Bunning's

http://www.congressmerge.com/onlined...=congressmerge

Thanks to everyone making their wishes known

MT4Runner · 07-28-2010, 07:19 AM

Have you talked to any small businesses in the Sandlick/Big Bend area? Grocery stores, gas stations, campgrounds, motels, service stations/mechanics?

Letters from the businesses affected by this area not being a legitimate OHV area and the economic impact they will suffer during this extremely negative economy......

yjwrangler95 · 07-28-2010, 12:31 PM

I've emailed the forestery service twice now in the past 4 days and have yet to get any response. Anyone have any luck talking to those folks down there?

Quote:

Originally Posted by wayneraintree

McConnell's info
http://mcconnell.senate.gov/public/i...?p=ContactForm

Bunning's

http://www.congressmerge.com/onlined...=congressmerge

Thanks to everyone making their wishes known

wayneraintree · 07-28-2010, 12:40 PM

I've been in contact with them all year on this issue and last I heard from them, Dave Manner emailed me Monday morning, likely before people started contacting him. Now it seems they clammed up? Not sure what to make of it. All I know is that if we don't hear something soon I'm thinking we may need to request a status update with something legally binding.

Again, he cannot propose the area with an OHV ban or we are in a bad way with regards to the ultimate decision on the trails.

Badger1 · 07-28-2010, 01:54 PM

I had at least a 15 minute conversation with him on Monday, but like said earlier that was most likely before he was getting inundated with calls.

wayneraintree · 08-25-2010, 06:49 AM

Please sign and please PASS THIS LINK ALONG TO EVERYONE!

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/sandlick/

SurfnSnow · 08-25-2010, 02:57 PM

Petition signed

mxfireman · 08-25-2010, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wayneraintree

Please sign and please PASS THIS LINK ALONG TO EVERYONE!

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/sandlick/

I signed yours will you sign mine?

https://www.pirate4x4.com/letters/

cruzila · 08-25-2010, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mxfireman

I signed yours will you sign mine?

https://www.pirate4x4.com/letters/

Signed both of them

wayneraintree · 08-26-2010, 09:27 AM

I sent a letter MX... this land use climate is really ominous

wayneraintree · 09-22-2010, 12:45 PM

bump for more sigs

get involved!

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/sandlick/

07-23-2010, 06:21 PM	#1 (permalink)
wayneraintree Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Member # 16988 Location: Northern KY Posts: 692	USFS is trying to close more in Slade KY http://www.kentuckykrawlers.org/foru...php?f=3&t=5975 Absolutely an abomination if we let this all happen again just like the White's Branch Arch trail...

07-26-2010, 01:20 PM	#5 (permalink)
Badger1 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Member # 50135 Location: Louisville(Fern Creek), KY/Sheboygan, WI Posts: 71	Gave him a call and voiced my concerns. Let a couple other folks here in the L'ville area and Ohio and southern Indiana know too, hope they call/email. Gonna drop Mitch an email too while I'm at it. __________________ 1997 D1 2000 D2 2004 Z71 'Burban

07-27-2010, 08:15 AM	#8 (permalink)
MT4Runner Not a Wenzelite Join Date: Mar 2005 Member # 44480 Location: MT Posts: 37,220	too late, or can we still call/write? __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

07-27-2010, 10:38 AM	#9 (permalink)
wayneraintree Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Member # 16988 Location: Northern KY Posts: 692	They USFS needs to hear that people will come to an official OHV trail system in Slade, KY with their money, voters, and stewardship. This area is really unique, it has sandstone arches, slickrock trails, and forest diversity rivaling any on other place on earth. He is planning to propose "something" in September, of which he says does not include a plan to officialize the OHV area. He needs to hear from as many people as possible, hence my whistle blowing early in the game. If he proposes the area with an OHV ban, we have to "comment", in other words plead our case to reverse that proposal. He can ignore the comments and take the action. Or... we can convince him to propose the area to be what it has been for decades, what it is listed as in the MVUM's, and what we, the end user groups want it to be... a well maintained and sustainable multi-use OHV trail system in concert with the community and USFS officials that simply injects money into the local economy while giving us a place to ride. So yes, there still is time Just trying not to behind the eightball for once Last edited by wayneraintree; 07-27-2010 at 10:40 AM.

07-27-2010, 11:38 AM	#10 (permalink)
MT4Runner Not a Wenzelite Join Date: Mar 2005 Member # 44480 Location: MT Posts: 37,220	Nice work on being proactive. I got his voicemail, and left him a very nice message encouraging him to add an official OHV Trail System in the Sandlick/Big Bend area. I noted that I enjoy taking 4-wheeling vacations with my family, and it looks like an incredible place to visit, and to enjoy responsible OHV recreation. Good luck and keep me posted if I can comment more!! __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

07-25-2010, 07:36 AM	#2 (permalink)
wayneraintree Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Member # 16988 Location: Northern KY Posts: 692	Please call this guy if you ever want to wheel here in KY: Dave Manner District Ranger Daniel Boone National Forest Cumberland Ranger District 2375 KY 801 South Morehead, Kentucky 40351 606-784-6428 Office [email protected] Tell him to propose the Sandlick/Big Bend Area an official OHV Trail System since i's been open to OHV use for decades and is listed as open on the motor vehicle use map. He is trying to propose a ban without ever recognizing the cultural tradition and public desire to use the land as an OHV system. He is also going in the backdoor by hiding the correct status of his project all year, listing it as "on hold" until this past Friday when I called him on it and he says basically, "Oh, my bad, that was funded, we have data and analysis... nope, no plans for an official OHV Trail System there... reserve your comments for the comment period (when I ban OHV's)". Help!

07-25-2010, 08:42 AM	#3 (permalink)
InstaGator Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Member # 11982 Location: Deltona Fl. Posts: 1,399	That sucks. I wheeled there about 10 years ago and loved it. I hope that I have the option to go back one day.

07-25-2010, 08:47 AM	#4 (permalink)
wayneraintree Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Member # 16988 Location: Northern KY Posts: 692	Make the call!

07-26-2010, 02:12 PM	#6 (permalink)
wayneraintree Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Member # 16988 Location: Northern KY Posts: 692	that rules

07-27-2010, 06:25 AM	#7 (permalink)
wayneraintree Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Member # 16988 Location: Northern KY Posts: 692	anyone get any feedback from USFS folks?

07-27-2010, 11:46 AM	#11 (permalink)
wayneraintree Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Member # 16988 Location: Northern KY Posts: 692	THANKS! If everyone who actually takes the time to wrench nightly took the time to do what you did.... we'll be in great shape

07-27-2010, 01:46 PM	#12 (permalink)
MT4Runner Not a Wenzelite Join Date: Mar 2005 Member # 44480 Location: MT Posts: 37,220	I don't have time to wrench nightly. My rig will wait, my kids are growing before my eyes, and my #1 priority is spending time with them. I don't have time not to send letters and place phone calls. My kids are growing before my eyes, and I want them to have the same recreation opportunities I have--and would love for them to have the opportunities I had when I was a kid!! Our country is getting overrun with Socialist greenies. We all have to fight back--together! __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

07-27-2010, 02:09 PM	#13 (permalink)
wayneraintree Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Member # 16988 Location: Northern KY Posts: 692	yours is the exact reason I am on this I have a 7 week old son, 2 year old daughter, and 4 year old daughter... they need wild places !

07-28-2010, 06:08 AM	#15 (permalink)
wayneraintree Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Member # 16988 Location: Northern KY Posts: 692	McConnell's info http://mcconnell.senate.gov/public/i...?p=ContactForm Bunning's http://www.congressmerge.com/onlined...=congressmerge Thanks to everyone making their wishes known

07-28-2010, 07:19 AM	#16 (permalink)
MT4Runner Not a Wenzelite Join Date: Mar 2005 Member # 44480 Location: MT Posts: 37,220	Have you talked to any small businesses in the Sandlick/Big Bend area? Grocery stores, gas stations, campgrounds, motels, service stations/mechanics? Letters from the businesses affected by this area not being a legitimate OHV area and the economic impact they will suffer during this extremely negative economy...... __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

07-28-2010, 12:40 PM	#18 (permalink)
wayneraintree Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Member # 16988 Location: Northern KY Posts: 692	I've been in contact with them all year on this issue and last I heard from them, Dave Manner emailed me Monday morning, likely before people started contacting him. Now it seems they clammed up? Not sure what to make of it. All I know is that if we don't hear something soon I'm thinking we may need to request a status update with something legally binding. Again, he cannot propose the area with an OHV ban or we are in a bad way with regards to the ultimate decision on the trails. Last edited by wayneraintree; 07-28-2010 at 12:40 PM.

07-28-2010, 01:54 PM	#19 (permalink)
Badger1 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Member # 50135 Location: Louisville(Fern Creek), KY/Sheboygan, WI Posts: 71	I had at least a 15 minute conversation with him on Monday, but like said earlier that was most likely before he was getting inundated with calls. __________________ 1997 D1 2000 D2 2004 Z71 'Burban

08-25-2010, 06:49 AM	#20 (permalink)
wayneraintree Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Member # 16988 Location: Northern KY Posts: 692	Please sign and please PASS THIS LINK ALONG TO EVERYONE! http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/sandlick/ Last edited by wayneraintree; 08-25-2010 at 06:50 AM.

08-25-2010, 02:57 PM	#21 (permalink)
SurfnSnow Registered User Join Date: Aug 2010 Member # 166763 Location: Oakland, CA Posts: 795	Petition signed

08-26-2010, 09:27 AM	#24 (permalink)
wayneraintree Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Member # 16988 Location: Northern KY Posts: 692	I sent a letter MX... this land use climate is really ominous

09-22-2010, 12:45 PM	#25 (permalink)
wayneraintree Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Member # 16988 Location: Northern KY Posts: 692	bump for more sigs get involved! http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/sandlick/

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