Hey would you rather talk about my build here? I search out info on here for a few hours daily. I know it's a good site and have found alot of info here too, but I do enjoy talking tech with local people too. I don't have any fab tools but do have access to a few when I get ready. I'm still in the research and bargin hunting phase as I am one of the people you talked about who lost their job, but I'm ok for a while. Also so far I have $550 in my project. And that consists of my CJ (which I'm paritng out to buy more goodies) and my CUCV truck. So I too can shop for bargains and have a ton of time to keep looking for them. I figure I can get it built for less than 5K .I still have a lot of learning to do before I even start the build and still need to figure out what I want to do especially suspension wise. The reason I was considering just doing leafs is the fact the it will get me wheeling quicker and I don't have the cash for "right now parts" and I can always redo it I mean building is half the fun right? Most of my wheeling will be at CCORV because it's so close to me. And there aren't alot of big rocks there. Just big hills.