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Old 01-19-2020, 09:18 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Talk me outta this- 2018 Jamis Dragonslayer 26"

https://www.jensonusa.com/Jamis-Drag...t-26-Bike-2018

I'm in desperate need of a new MTB - my last most previous MTB is 10 + years old. I'm nothing more than a weekend warrior (if that) any more. I don't want a full suspension bike, had plenty of those over the years and know the virtues of them but looking for simple and steel, hence this.

Other pertinent info- In the midst of moving at the moment and closing on a new house in a week. This will probably sit in the box the next 6 mos + while I wrap up the loose ends on that and getting my stuff and three vehicles moved.

Worth the knee jerk reaction or keep the $900 in my wallet? 699 bike +75 ship + 100 (I think setup/assembly fee, lol, even though it comes in a box).

Positives-
Reynolds Steel
Sorta brand name
I like the SRAM 1X drivetrains
Shimano hydros (albiet cheapies)

Cons-
26'er
Cheap rockshit fork
low end derailleur/shifter
30 lbs!
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I think you could do way better for that amount of money. 29er hardtail is what all the cool kids are doing. In that price range anyway.
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I think you can do better. that's a really dated bike now. 26 was pretty much dead when that bike can out.
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Old 01-22-2020, 06:32 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Yeah, not much love for the 26 anyone I talk to in person either. The frame can take a 27.5+, they have other trims of the same frame with 'em, but double the cost. Not sure the fork that comes on this one will clear a 27.5.

I figured I could swap wheelsets later. Just drawn to the steel I guess I can't find another steel hardtail in that price range unless I'm missing something?
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It's just a old standard at this point. 27.5 is a gimmick they used to milk to the consumers wallet and rid the scene of a near endless supply of 26" parts. Just like plus bike tire sizes and wide rims are new but I have 35mm wide rims and 2.7-3.0 tires from back in the day still. They change the market standards to keep people spending.


I ride a Dartmoor Primal 27.5+ I built with a new frame and parts sourced off ebay cheap. If I have $700 into I'd be surprised.
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Old 01-24-2020, 07:28 PM   #6 (permalink)
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It's just a old standard at this point. 27.5 is a gimmick they used to milk to the consumers wallet and rid the scene of a near endless supply of 26" parts. Just like plus bike tire sizes and wide rims are new but I have 35mm wide rims and 2.7-3.0 tires from back in the day still. They change the market standards to keep people spending.


I ride a Dartmoor Primal 27.5+ I built with a new frame and parts sourced off ebay cheap. If I have $700 into I'd be surprised.
I almost feel like the whole wheel size thing 27.5 and 29 is simply a fad to drive sales, which has prevented me from buying any MTB's at all recently. So you think 29" is where it is at?

Care to share the rest of your build on that frame?

I don't see the frame material listed here unless I'm missing something?
https://dartmoor-bikes.com/hardware/...rimal-275-2020
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Talk me outta this- 2018 Jamis Dragonslayer 26"

That Jamis is a 26x3.0 so overall tire height should be close to a 27.5x2.3. The thing is there are way more rim and tire selections now in the 27.5 size. A few years ago I was going to try 26+ on a Turner 5 Spot I had but the tire selection wasnít that great. That bike got stolen so I built up a cheap Breezer Repack 27.5 from PinkBike classifieds.

29íers have been out for a long time so I think they are here to stay. Many years ago I thought they were a gimmick but if you think that going to a 37Ē (29er) tire on your Jeep would do better than a 33 (26Ē) then there is your answer (sort of I know). I remember thinking years ago why 29ers werenít used for DH racing as the taller wheels would make getting thru more technical terrain more easily. That day is here now.

And 650bís have been around for a while too. I remember the start of the 27.5 forum on MTBR and how they were getting knobby tires made for that size (I cannot think of the guyís/builders name) and which suspension forks would fit. I like the 650b size. I rode my friendís MegaTower a few weeks ago and itís a really rad bike but liked getting back on my 27.5. Iím sure I could get used to the wheel size of the 29er but the 27.5 seems just right. EDIT: I just looked it up - Kirk Pacenti in 2007 and some of the original builders like Ritchey made a 650b back in the 70ís. Now that I think of it Diamond Back had a 650b setup in the 80ís when I was shopping for my first mtn bike. More history: https://forums.mtbr.com/27-5/timelin...ry-789577.html

Anyway - I would suggest a modern 27.5 full sussy rig if you can swing it price wise. PB just had an article on one for around $2k that they loved. If you are trying to keep it at that $1k price point then a modern geo 27.5 or 29Ē HT from the PB classifieds or FB Marketplace as guys are always upgrading.

Iím on a 3rd Gen Santa Cruz Nomad C that I built up from mostly used stuff last year. It is crazy how much it can do (lift assist to multi hour pedals) and itís dated at this point.



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Old 01-26-2020, 08:58 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I almost feel like the whole wheel size thing 27.5 and 29 is simply a fad to drive sales, which has prevented me from buying any MTB's at all recently. So you think 29" is where it is at?

Care to share the rest of your build on that frame?

I don't see the frame material listed here unless I'm missing something?
https://dartmoor-bikes.com/hardware/...rimal-275-2020
26 vs. 29 is a huge difference, 26 vs. 27.5 hardly noticeable, 27.5 vs. 29 still a pretty big difference. A 27.5+ is roughly the same OD as a normal 29 though. All of my bikes are 27.5 or 27.5+ except my old Banshee Paradox which is bolted into a trainer with a 700 road tire on it. I personally like 27.5 better, its a stronger wheel, for me I can interchange tires back and forth and I feel its a bit easy to move around. A 29 does have better roll over if your riding rough terrain which is something to really consider.

My Primal is aluminum, its a plus bike the tire absorb a ton. I bought the frame new as a leftover. Everything else was used, cheap or I had it.

Frame-new ebay
Headset-new ebay
Marzocchi NCR350 - used had
Stans Sentrys, Recon 2.8s and cassette - used ebay
Sram XO crank, BB and 32 ring - used
Shimano 11spd der/shifter - used
Chromag BZA bars - used had
Chromag Hifi 35 - new ebay
Grips - freebies
KS LEV - used - ebay
Hope x2 brakes - used had

OK so I had a few more parts than I thought but its a pretty badass bike cheap. I rode it more this year than my Slash by a good bit. Not sure if this link will work... https://www.instagram.com/p/B3algQeH..._web_copy_link
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Looks like a good deal $$ wise. It's hard to answer if it would be a good bike for you, not knowing where you ride. I would say, if you ride where the fat tires would help, a bigger diameter would help more. If the fat tires aren't needed I wouldn't want them. It looks like a fun bike though.

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Anyway - I would suggest a modern 27.5 full sussy rig if you can swing it price wise. PB just had an article on one for around $2k that they loved. If you are trying to keep it at that $1k price point then a modern geo 27.5 or 29Ē HT from the PB classifieds or FB Marketplace as guys are always upgrading.

Iím on a 3rd Gen Santa Cruz Nomad C that I built up from mostly used stuff last year. It is crazy how much it can do (lift assist to multi hour pedals) and itís dated at this point.



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26 vs. 29 is a huge difference, 26 vs. 27.5 hardly noticeable, 27.5 vs. 29 still a pretty big difference. A 27.5+ is roughly the same OD as a normal 29 though. All of my bikes are 27.5 or 27.5+ except my old Banshee Paradox which is bolted into a trainer with a 700 road tire on it. I personally like 27.5 better, its a stronger wheel, for me I can interchange tires back and forth and I feel its a bit easy to move around. A 29 does have better roll over if your riding rough terrain which is something to really consider.

My Primal is aluminum, its a plus bike the tire absorb a ton. I bought the frame new as a leftover. Everything else was used, cheap or I had it.

Frame-new ebay
Headset-new ebay
Marzocchi NCR350 - used had
Stans Sentrys, Recon 2.8s and cassette - used ebay
Sram XO crank, BB and 32 ring - used
Shimano 11spd der/shifter - used
Chromag BZA bars - used had
Chromag Hifi 35 - new ebay
Grips - freebies
KS LEV - used - ebay
Hope x2 brakes - used had

OK so I had a few more parts than I thought but its a pretty badass bike cheap. I rode it more this year than my Slash by a good bit. Not sure if this link will work... https://www.instagram.com/p/B3algQeH..._web_copy_link
You had most of the parts

Thanks for sharing the build, I like that frame. I still have an old Soul Cycles Titan that I think has pretty similar geometry- was looking for something along those lines but in steel. The Titan I have is beat and is a 26'er- Good wall ornament though.

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Looks like a good deal $$ wise. It's hard to answer if it would be a good bike for you, not knowing where you ride. I would say, if you ride where the fat tires would help, a bigger diameter would help more. If the fat tires aren't needed I wouldn't want them. It looks like a fun bike though.
The terrain varies wildly here. I will probably use it mostly on buffed out desert single track (little elevation/smoother) vs. bigger mountain terrain with lots of elevation/rockier.
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I mean you could get into a FS like a alloy YT Jeffsy pretty cheap new. Pretty sure they are a bit over 2k, comes in 27.5 or 29.
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i would stay away from 26" at this point unless you were only interested in bmx track racing or just puttin around the hood.

the 29ers roll over the trails soo much better and is pretty much the standard. unless you're super short a 29er would be the way to roll

27.5 are fun but i think they will be fading out as far as selection in the next few years.
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