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Old 05-21-2019, 04:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
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vehicles with both front and rear passenger side drop axles?

Hello everyone, I am working on a 1969 nissan patrol project. Skipping all the pleasantries, I want disc brakes on the front and preferably rear also. My options are custom brackets and mismatching calipers with custom machined rotors to frankenstein something, OR find a set of axles that already have disc brakes. The problem with this is though, I need a set of axles that are BOTH passenger side drop differential, front and rear.

I wouldn't mind running FJ60 axles (disc front, drum rear, but brake parts are much easier to find than patrol brake parts), but they are very hard to find, and pretty expensive when I can find them, and usually very far away geographically.

So I am looking for a set of axles that are:
-passenger side drop in front
-passenger side drop in rear
-disc brakes on front
-preferably disc brakes on rear, or at least easy/cheap conversions available to go from drum to disc
-something domestic, easy and cheap to find, and easy and cheap to find parts for.

I am not looking to do anything SUPER serious with this vehicle, so i dont need some crazy custom withstand-an-atom-bomb axles or anything like that. I do plan on doing a SPOA conversion though. And I have tried to search around for some vehicle that came with something like this, but there's just SO much information its hard to get a grasp on what is what. If there are a set of axles out there that meet my criteria, id rather just swap those in, instead of forging onward with customizing the patrol axles and going through all that trouble on an axle that has basically no parts or aftermarket support out there.

Any help is appreciated!
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if you arent opposed to a little custom fab some old ford 9" axles that are fullsize van width can be trimmed on one side to get to like a 60-63" wms and offset the pumpkin for reasonably cheap. throw in some dutchman axles and you'd be good to go.
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if you arent opposed to a little custom fab some old ford 9" axles that are fullsize van width can be trimmed on one side to get to like a 60-63" wms and offset the pumpkin for reasonably cheap. throw in some dutchman axles and you'd be good to go.
im not opposed to custom work, but that seems like a lot of expense. id rather find an already offset diff, than have to spend an extra 300+ on new axles. and what about the front diff/axle option?
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fj40s are drum all around (right?), and just as hard to find as fj60 axles.

i used to have a samurai, and they are pretty small. do you know the width of them? Arent they usually known to be pretty weak?

can you be a bit more specific on the jeep years/vehicles/chassis id be looking for? Jeep axles were my first consideration...
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Disc brakes can be put on an fj40 easily. Iirc you can use mini truck brakes.

Also I believe fj80 axles are offset.
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Stock fj40 axles are pretty much worthless and can often be had for free. I couldnt sell a set of stocks at a fj swap meet for $50.

Any thing can be disc braked if you try hard enough. Even d25/27 jeep axles.
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'74-79 fullsize Jeep with Quadratrac are offset Dana 44s, front and rear.
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dont FJ80 axles use coils? I am sticking with leaf springs. Also hard to find and expensive...

I cant find any FJ40 axles around me. just one guy selling a rolling shell that I cant afford haha. and if I have to add a disc brake kit to the FJ axles for $x amount of dollars, after buying them, id rather just do a custom brake swap on my current axles
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I have a set of Chief (Waggy) Offset 44s for sale... $500 plus shipping by you.
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I have a set of Chief (Waggy) Offset 44s for sale... $500 plus shipping by you.
gahhh...shipping would probably be as much as the axles and i just cant swing that haha. but i will keep it in the back of my mind
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dont FJ80 axles use coils? I am sticking with leaf springs.
That matters why?
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That matters why?
This is why I posted in newbie section...lol
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gahhh...shipping would probably be as much as the axles and i just cant swing that haha. but i will keep it in the back of my mind
Sounds like a good excuse to visit Colorado.
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Sounds like a good excuse to visit Colorado.
i would love to, i lived in Aurora/Denver area for one summer and loved it
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Landcruiser 60 series are offset as well, around 58" wide IIRC, and SUA leaf.

Leafs on the cruiser 80 series wouldn't be difficult and I would think they would be stronger. May be able to get a set with working factory e-lockers. Depending on how tall it will be, you may run into some fun with the steering, though.

J trucks - some had rear 60's, while the waggy's will be 44s and AMC 20 (not 100% sure on the offset 20 though).
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while the waggy's will be 44s and AMC 20 (not 100% sure on the offset 20 though).
fullsize Jeeps didn't get the AMC20 until 1980 and went to drivers drop in the front axle that same year.

Any waggy (and Cherokee and J10) from 74-79 has passenger drop 44s, front and rear. Those with the Dana 20 tcase were still offset, just not as much as with the quadratrac.
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What width is needed?

Could do a chevy 44/60 up front and a 99-07? E350 D60 out back. In the rear the vans were available full float 60s, disc brakes, offset to the passenger side, and still 8x6.5 (even though the trucks went metric).

Depending on width needed; may be able to play with backspacing to get tires tucked.
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He'd have to chop and grind off all the coil buckets and J arm brackets. Biggest issue I see him having with the 80 series axle would be the steering arms being on the bottom of the knuckle. If he runs spring under he would have to swap out knuckles to get high steer which isn't cheap.

Plus from what I have seen Hellfires have been out of stock on RuffStuffs site for the last year.

I'd say a set of 60 or 62 series axles would be the best bet. Less work and tons cheaper than 80 axles.
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He'd have to chop and grind off all the coil buckets and J arm brackets. Biggest issue I see him having with the 80 series axle would be the steering arms being on the bottom of the knuckle. If he runs spring under he would have to swap out knuckles to get high steer which isn't cheap.

Plus from what I have seen Hellfires have been out of stock on RuffStuffs site for the last year.

I'd say a set of 60 or 62 series axles would be the best bet. Less work and tons cheaper than 80 axles.
He says hes doing SOA.

Just get a RHD steering arm and move the tie rod to the front. Or run the tie rod in the rear if your into that sort of thing.


Brother just bought f/r 80 axles for $400. As long as you arent looking for the Elocker ones they are pretty reasonable.



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He'd have to chop and grind off all the coil buckets and J arm brackets. Biggest issue I see him having with the 80 series axle would be the steering arms being on the bottom of the knuckle. If he runs spring under he would have to swap out knuckles to get high steer which isn't cheap.

Plus from what I have seen Hellfires have been out of stock on RuffStuffs site for the last year.

I'd say a set of 60 or 62 series axles would be the best bet. Less work and tons cheaper than 80 axles.
If chopping coil brackets is the biggest hurdle in building the riig he described, ID say he's doing pretty good.

The tie rod isn't below the axle tube, it's behind it. It's really not any lower than any other axle out there, but it is far away from the axle. Should work fine spring under or over as long as it's not too tall.
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You could probably just run Toyota minitruck axles . Even with a centered rear axle. All the samurai guys do it, myself included. Just need at cv style/ dual cardian rear driveshaft to make up for the odd angle. Other than that, as already stated land cruiser axles or waggy Dana 44s
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