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05-13-2019 07:43 AM
Lil Uzi
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Originally Posted by DavidVanVorous View Post
The irony is lost on the clueless here.

If the objective is to bring back the manufacturing jobs such as your tape measure assembled in the US from parts imported from Taiwan or France, the only jobs "temporarily" saved are low pay "trained monkey" $12/hr assembly jobs and low value support staff at Stanley...Which would be replaced as the facility got more robotically automated as time progressed.

The tarrifs you are supporting don't impact unassembled parts, only raw stock and finished goods. As such the only folks they hit are the US consumers via higher prices. They WONT open a steel mill that's been mothballed since the 60s nor will they add any skilled labor jobs except if you happen to be a techy and can work on the robotics and assembly lines to used to put together parts made and brought into the US from other countries avoiding the tariffs and labelled bogusly with a "Made in USA" sticker...

Tis the way corporate "Murica" works and how the companies get around stupid ideas like tariffs. The Japanese car makers taught US manufacturers real well on how to do this the last time the US pulled this stunt with tariffs...
You seem to actually know something about what you talk about I don't agree with a big piece of it though. Bigger more complex goods, say automobiles we can all grasp. All I know is what I researched myself and accept as truth from the news we are all fed. The Hyundai plant in Alabama for example. Until just recently when the demand for sedans dropped and other forces, the plant ran 3 shifts 24/7. It went through a HUGE expansion modernization. Hundreds of millions of dollars in it. All here in the USA. Hyundai could have built anywhere. Mexico, Brazil, anywhere. All long before Trump came along. Some parts as you mention are unfinished, then finished at the plant. It may be con rods, cranks, but pistons, the blocks etc. All are either poured here USA as molten or finished, sized for final production here. And then then install/assembly. Lots of labor in that. We were taught, 1978, that a single manufacturing job creates residual downstream 4 support jobs. Banking, packaging, trucking etc. Probably not true 100% but you get the idea. None of this applies to something small and simple, the electric screwdriver for example. But I believe that the Trump Tariffs are not as useless or ineffective as you suggest. Wasn't it Volvo that squealed recently as they wouldn't be able to import cheap Chicom Volvos to the USA ? If the tarriffs are ineffective (in this one case as an example) then why would Volvo squeal ? That doesn't raise prices here, it stabilizes them and prevents erosion and undermining the existing prices and profits. Focusing on a simple tool is just that, small focus. Using autos, tell us more.
05-12-2019 07:11 PM
xjtony
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Originally Posted by PROJECTJUNKIE View Post
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Originally Posted by xjtony View Post
Is the gear wrench stuff good quality? I see a set of the 120 ratchets on amazon for like 90$ Tempted to pick a set up
I haven't had the opportunity to abuse mine yet, but don't see any reason why they won't hold up as the ratchet wrenches I bought in 1998.

My coworker shuffles up in his snapon jacket. Sets his snap on coffee cup on my tool cart. Picks up my gearwrench ratchet, spins the 120 teeth around with his fingers, works the flex head back and forth, feels the heft of it, inspects the chrome, asks how much it cost me, picks up his snap on cup, and shuffles off <a href="https://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/images/smilies/laughing.gif" border="0" alt="" title="laughing" >:-)</a>
I’ll give em a try then. I’ve only used one snap on 1/2” ratchet and was impressed with the short range of motion to get it to operate compared to my old craftsman ratchets. Guess any of the more tooth count stuff will be worlds of difference from what I got.
05-12-2019 04:55 PM
PROJECTJUNKIE
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Originally Posted by xjtony View Post
Is the gear wrench stuff good quality? I see a set of the 120 ratchets on amazon for like 90$ Tempted to pick a set up.
https://www.amazon.com/GearWrench-81...gateway&sr=8-9
I haven't had the opportunity to abuse mine yet, but don't see any reason why they won't hold up as the ratchet wrenches I bought in 1998.

My coworker shuffles up in his snapon jacket. Sets his snap on coffee cup on my tool cart. Picks up my gearwrench ratchet, spins the 120 teeth around with his fingers, works the flex head back and forth, feels the heft of it, inspects the chrome, asks how much it cost me, picks up his snap on cup, and shuffles off
05-12-2019 11:18 AM
[486]
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Originally Posted by Mattafact View Post
I have 6 or 7 80 tooth snap ons. All bought used and no issues for me.
I dunno I bought all mine a few years back with the student discount for like 30 bucks apiece on 1/4 dr, 40 or so on 3/8 and the 1/2 ones were like a hundred
all of them have gone through a few repair kits

whereas I've only broken one of my older 36 tooth ones
05-12-2019 10:54 AM
Shadow man
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Originally Posted by DavidVanVorous View Post
The irony is lost on the clueless here.

If the objective is to bring back the manufacturing jobs such as your tape measure assembled in the US from parts imported from Taiwan or France, the only jobs "temporarily" saved are low pay "trained monkey" $12/hr assembly jobs and low value support staff at Stanley...Which would be replaced as the facility got more robotically automated as time progressed.

The tarrifs you are supporting don't impact unassembled parts, only raw stock and finished goods. As such the only folks they hit are the US consumers via higher prices. They WONT open a steel mill that's been mothballed since the 60s nor will they add any skilled labor jobs except if you happen to be a techy and can work on the robotics and assembly lines to used to put together parts made and brought into the US from other countries avoiding the tariffs and labelled bogusly with a "Made in USA" sticker...

Tis the way corporate "Murica" works and how the companies get around stupid ideas like tariffs. The Japanese car makers taught US manufacturers real well on how to do this the last time the US pulled this stunt with tariffs...
As someone who was a "techy" for many manufacturing companies ALL over the USA, I can tell you, many companies have regressed on automation. Companies have found out that spending millions on one off prototype equipment to make what they produce, discovered even if you hire retards, you still have production because of less downtime on a specialized equipment that requires a tech from a company many states over.
05-12-2019 10:44 AM
Mattafact
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Originally Posted by [486] View Post
the 80/72 tooth ones do suck ass
like they come from the factory loaded up with steel grit that makes them slip
but you can clean them out and then a month later you've got to do it again
I have 6 or 7 80 tooth snap ons. All bought used and no issues for me.
05-12-2019 10:03 AM
[486]
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Originally Posted by Black Sheep View Post
I've broke my 3/8 snapon ratchet 3 times now. I'll admit the action is a lot smoother, but I have a HF knockoff for backup when it breaks.
the 80/72 tooth ones do suck ass
like they come from the factory loaded up with steel grit that makes them slip
but you can clean them out and then a month later you've got to do it again
05-11-2019 09:11 PM
Black Sheep I've broke my 3/8 snapon ratchet 3 times now. I'll admit the action is a lot smoother, but I have a HF knockoff for backup when it breaks.

The inferior harbor freight sockets are still going strong. Its foolish to buy any socket besides HF for the money.
05-11-2019 09:09 PM
Norm
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Originally Posted by LigBoozer View Post
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Originally Posted by RedPurdueYJ View Post
Fuck trump and his commie style taxes. Sold himself as a lover of the free market. Guess not. Hes just another Obama lite stalinist.
Socialism for me, but not for thee.

Idiot thinks tariffs go into the coffers of the US.

So school us were the tariffs go. And socialism is only good for people that can’t handle freedom and self responsibility. Personally I don’t need to be ruled and I’ll prefer pick the charity’s I give money to rather than being told who I have to give to.

Socialism is like ass cancer, sooner or later it will destroy the host.
05-11-2019 08:56 PM
Mattafact
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Originally Posted by xjtony View Post
Is the gear wrench stuff good quality? I see a set of the 120 ratchets on amazon for like 90$ Tempted to pick a set up.
https://www.amazon.com/GearWrench-81...gateway&sr=8-9
Most gearwrench tools are made by Apex in Taiwan. It's good stuff.
05-11-2019 07:32 PM
xjtony
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Originally Posted by PROJECTJUNKIE View Post
I reach past my American snap on ratchets to get my 120 tooth gear wrench ratchets. Taiwan ftmfw :-)

Reminds me, I heard a comment that buying Taiwan actually "hurts" the Chinese more than buying American, dollar for dollar, it strengthens Taiwan, which is a thorn in China side
Is the gear wrench stuff good quality? I see a set of the 120 ratchets on amazon for like 90$ Tempted to pick a set up.
https://www.amazon.com/GearWrench-81...gateway&sr=8-9
05-11-2019 11:38 AM
LigBoozer
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Originally Posted by RedPurdueYJ View Post
Fuck trump and his commie style taxes. Sold himself as a lover of the free market. Guess not. Hes just another Obama lite stalinist.
Socialism for me, but not for thee.

Idiot thinks tariffs go into the coffers of the US.
05-11-2019 11:20 AM
Filthy McChevy
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Originally Posted by 45acp View Post
Ill tell you what's not to like!!! Got dang Jarrod and Eddie and J.D. and Jimmie Don all work at the hammer drill factory up in Cousinfinger Missouri and your puttin' them all out of a job!!!! But I guess it's worth it to you and your commie buddies!!


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Hmmm, then maybe a few shitty drivers from Misery won't have enough money to come to Colorado on vacation and screw up more driving for me with their floor it on straightaways and over brake on corners shit.
05-11-2019 11:08 AM
45acp
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Originally Posted by Filthy McChevy View Post
I bought a hammer drill there recently for 1 job and it worked great and was only 60 bucks. I'm happy, HF is happy, and I get 20% off something and something free everytime I go there. What's not to like?
Ill tell you what's not to like!!! Got dang Jarrod and Eddie and J.D. and Jimmie Don all work at the hammer drill factory up in Cousinfinger Missouri and your puttin' them all out of a job!!!! But I guess it's worth it to you and your commie buddies!!


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05-11-2019 11:03 AM
Harvester of Sorrow Regardless of anything, our company is still looking to overseas manufacturing on our standard small machines. Our cost of labor and all associated things means our equipment is starting to become too high priced to be competitive.

Also stainless steel and other raw goods will start to hurt us a bit on our margins...but we are being told that if we revise where things are shipping from, there will not be a big hit in margins, etc.

It is all meh..
05-11-2019 10:56 AM
Filthy McChevy I'll still buy a tool there if the price is right for what I'm doing and like it just fine. I don't have the luxury of or time to waste buying whatever the "BESTEST USAest" tool is. I bought a hammer drill there recently for 1 job and it worked great and was only 60 bucks. I'm happy, HF is happy, and I get 20% off something and something free everytime I go there. What's not to like?
05-11-2019 10:32 AM
[486]
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Originally Posted by RedPurdueYJ View Post
Fuck trump and his commie style taxes. Sold himself as a lover of the free market. Guess not. Hes just another Obama lite stalinist.
pangalactic 6 dimensional chess
05-11-2019 10:28 AM
[486]
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Originally Posted by PROJECTJUNKIE View Post
I reach past my American snap on ratchets to get my 120 tooth gear wrench ratchets. Taiwan ftmfw

Reminds me, I heard a comment that buying Taiwan actually "hurts" the Chinese more than buying American, dollar for dollar, it strengthens Taiwan, which is a thorn in China side
as long as it isn't marked "r.o.c."
those are the commies in taiwan
05-11-2019 10:22 AM
Lil Uzi
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Originally Posted by Dr.Danger View Post
The fun part is at least, that once MFGs leave Chinkville, they aren't going back.
After all the carnage and horrid child beatings in this thread the first thing that came to mind was " MFG - Many Fucks Given"
05-11-2019 08:40 AM
Mattafact
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Originally Posted by LigBoozer View Post
Well well well. Look who's back.
05-10-2019 10:00 PM
Dr.Danger
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Originally Posted by crowbar7 View Post
Fuck does anybody here get their info from sources other than Fox/Cnn/Msnbc? Most of you sound like parrots. Except landyslide I don't think he could breath without permission from Fox.

I know people in trucking and distribution and a huge portion of their business comes from Chinese products. It is no big deal to find whatever dildo you are supplying from a new source outside of China. They have already started doing it. Also they need us more than we need them. Without us their economy may litteraly collapse while we merely feel a bump in the road.

There is an old saying referring to poor countries that rely on the US for economic survival. "When America gets a cough the rest of the world gets the flu." Its about time we through our weight around a little. The fact that people actually think this will have a long term effect at HF amaze me, keep drinking the koolaid.

The fun part is at least, that once MFGs leave Chinkville, they aren't going back. They aren't necessarily coming here, but they are going to other friendlier countries, despite the fact that they might not be the cheapest.

A lot of manufacturers have been leaving already as they see the wave has crested. It might cost $1 more to buy that $10 chinese part in Mexico, but the US loses 10%, and China loses 100%. Permanently. Of course, that's ignoring that someone else, say, Taiwan, can't do it for $10.05.

I don't buy tariffs are bringing all jobs back to America. But at least I can take some solace in knowing they're leaving that commie shithole that steals IP round the clock. And maybe we'll get lucky and they come from some place that likes to do business without worrying about the disparity of the purchase of overall goods. That's a stupid score card to keep, thinking trade needs to be "equal".

I may buy $100K in raw goods from country X to make my product that I sell mostly in country Z. I don't expect country X to buy $100K in my product to make us "whole". It just doesn't work that way.

There should never have been any tariffs between us and China in the first place if they wanted to keep the gravy train rolling.
05-10-2019 09:31 PM
LigBoozer
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Originally Posted by rockbuggy84 View Post
Itís become painfully obvious that youíre the typical Al Gore type hypocrite. Telling everyone else that the sky is falling and that we need to change our way of life, all while making countless excuses as to why itís ok that you do it.
05-10-2019 09:31 PM
crowbar7 Fuck does anybody here get their info from sources other than Fox/Cnn/Msnbc? Most of you sound like parrots. Except landyslide I don't think he could breath without permission from Fox.

I know people in trucking and distribution and a huge portion of their business comes from Chinese products. It is no big deal to find whatever dildo you are supplying from a new source outside of China. They have already started doing it. Also they need us more than we need them. Without us their economy may litteraly collapse while we merely feel a bump in the road.

There is an old saying referring to poor countries that rely on the US for economic survival. "When America gets a cough the rest of the world gets the flu." Its about time we through our weight around a little. The fact that people actually think this will have a long term effect at HF amaze me, keep drinking the koolaid.
05-10-2019 09:21 PM
DWT
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Originally Posted by rockbuggy84 View Post
Itís funny how youíll sit here and talk all this shit about the threat to our nation because of ďcommie China junkĒ that we use. Yet, when itís pointed out that you also use a ridiculous amount of ďcommie China junkĒ, itís somehow justified

Youíre a complete buffoon and I actually used to enjoy some of your post. But now, youíve become paranoid as fuck like actionfag and need to get off the drugs youíre on.
The bugs I lick off of my windshield have more collective cognitive reasoning ability than landtard has managed to muster when these topics come up. All he knows is whatever faux news has told him the latest buzz issue is. Oddly enough exhibiting the exact same reactions from those on the other side of whatever issue from the left. He's just too much of a dullard to get it.

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Originally Posted by thefishguy77 View Post
The Bitch Slap Heard round the world.


Bingo.
05-10-2019 08:17 PM
PROJECTJUNKIE
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Originally Posted by Don. View Post
If I can avoid it, I don't buy shit made by the bowl haircuts. You have to pay attention at the parts stores. The micks at Oreilly's tried to lay off a solenoid made by the chicoms on me. I ended up having to get one from Taiwan for more cash, as they had nothing else and I needed it that day.

I've had shit sealed bearings from a local supplier that were chicom. Had to warranty the shit for the customer after they shit the bed a few weeks later. Whenever I go there I have to request from a different country if I want the shit to last and not pay for it twice. The ones from Belarus haven't failed me thus far.

If it's some throw away shit like plastic panel fasteners or a lighter, I'll buy the cheap shit on eGay. If I need something durable or of good quality that I don't want to buy twice, I pay for it up front and don't buy chicom shit.

Our fleet of pickup trucks are always eating idler and tensioner pulleys (open pit mining) the box, and the pulley is marked Canada, put the pressed in bearing is China, bigger than shit. Oe, ford and chevy
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