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02-25-2020 08:41 AM
DMANbluesfreak Yep, that's the main annoyance with mine!
02-25-2020 06:37 AM
06 H3 I am open to it. I am curious if a fucked up spring or cracked plastic bushing would cause the camber. I would assume so.

I did the same thing with the factory belt. I am not sure if your's did this but mine always would lock up when I took it off. If I got out on an incline to go spot someone it wouldn't go loosen up to put it back on until I got on more level ground. Kind of annoying lol
02-24-2020 02:38 PM
DMANbluesfreak I currently use the shoulder belt and wrap the shoulder belt behind me so only the lap belt is across me, but it's definitely not as secure as what you're showing here and it's a lot more annoying to clip in and out.

Not wanting to go to springless kingpin arms?
02-24-2020 02:29 PM
06 H3
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Originally Posted by DMANbluesfreak View Post
Stealing this idea. I hate when my factory belts lock up on me, too.



^Absolutely. Sounds like a week of hell, but it also sounds like you wouldn't have traded it for anything. What an adventure. Hopefully next year your buddy's 4runner is shaken down a bit better and you can spend more time wheeling rather than fixing

Also, great write up. I can't even imagine all the cool stuff that was left out. It was awesome seeing you on the live feed flipping over people on the trail.

Also good to hear that you had no issues with the 205 fix and the doubler worked great despite the shifter woes.
You will love the seat belts! It's so nice to not worry about death as your on a steep off camber incline, needing to get out or being locked in so you cant see out the damn window. For $50 on a PRP deal on the lakebed it is one of my favorite non drivetrain mod's which is stupid but something so simple makes it so much better.

I am ready to get some work done and get back to it! My tire has some camber, I am curious if I broke a spring, bearing or plastic race in the kingpin.

My goal is to be able to go to on an Idaho off road run 3/28.
02-18-2020 06:38 AM
DMANbluesfreak
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Originally Posted by 06 H3 View Post
I also forgot to mention I installed some lap belts on the lakebed! I wanted to for years. I was sick and tired of the factory belts locking up on me on the trail. I mounted them off the factory seat bolt holes. I will use them off road and the factory belts on road.


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Stealing this idea. I hate when my factory belts lock up on me, too.

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Originally Posted by pennsylvaniaboy View Post
^^^^that's am impressive week of ironman ethic....Well done, sounds like memories made.
^Absolutely. Sounds like a week of hell, but it also sounds like you wouldn't have traded it for anything. What an adventure. Hopefully next year your buddy's 4runner is shaken down a bit better and you can spend more time wheeling rather than fixing

Also, great write up. I can't even imagine all the cool stuff that was left out. It was awesome seeing you on the live feed flipping over people on the trail.

Also good to hear that you had no issues with the 205 fix and the doubler worked great despite the shifter woes.
02-13-2020 06:38 AM
pennsylvaniaboy ^^^^that's am impressive week of ironman ethic....Well done, sounds like memories made.
02-12-2020 06:20 PM
06 H3 Day 8: We end up running jackhammer. I did install a RADesigns rail shifter before I left and thought maybe my issue was coming from that. I spent the morning going back to stock wiring for the trans. It didn't fix it.

We end up running jackhammer regardless and the Hummer did great, I didn't pull cable and did really well.



Here I am at the plaque



At the mailbox after the trail....so many Toyotas!



After a fun day on the trail we go back to camp and I mess with the shifters and trans and realize I had a bent shifter and manually shifting it by hand wasn't getting in low range. I ran all of jackhammer AND aftershock in 1.96:1. That explains why I overheated the shit out of my trans!

It was fun and taught me about momentum so it all worked out...

I pack up and sleep in my buddy's 5th wheel so I can start the hummer and hit the road early.

Day 9: At 5 am I go to start the hummer, dead battery. Jump it...alternator is charging at 18v! I run to orielly in my buddy's tow rig and get there 10 min before they open, they let me in and I grab an alternator and a battery in case a dead cell is causing the issue. Sure enough the alt. fixed it. I changed it in 15 min since I was rushing and didn't get the belt on all the way and tore it a tad. DAMN IT!! I throw on the spare and find out its in worse shape. I leave the lakebed and 20 miles down the road it throws the belt....I pull over, winch myself off the road and go back to the slightly torn one. Thankfully a fellow off roader came by and helped!

So after changing it I go to the local Hwy 247 ACE hardware store that posts here every year for KOH. They had a bolt I needed for my brake caliper which was great! I hit the road and stop in Barstow to get new belts and do a fluid check. I hit the road and realize I lost my wallet! I felt I would NEVER make it out of town!!! I go back 10 miles before finding it hidden in the car.

So I turn back around and stop for lunch on the 395 since I didn't have dinner the night before or ate all day due to the crap going on.

I trek on and after 850 miles I make it home under my own power at 2:10AM Tuesday morning!!!!!

Home safe and sound.



What a week, it was a fun week! Lots of work and I am more tired then when I showed up. Between our group...

track bar bracket
bumper
rear R&P
front locker
alternator
front stub shaft
power steering pump
2 rear driveshafts
1 front driveshaft
75ish plus recoveries at backdoor.
02-12-2020 06:07 PM
06 H3 Day 5: was about trying to get as much rest as we could even though we couldn't. We spent the morning tracking down parts to replace the broken stub shaft on the 4runner. We did that at the BFG garage tent.

Then my other buddy went to run wrecking ball and took our a rear driveshaft, he came back to camp and by looking at the failure he was overextending his rear driveline. So off to hammertown to buy limit straps and then to the BFG tent to weld on tabs so do limit straps to stop over extending the driveline.



We then installed my buddy's front locker in the Toyota and I changed the PS pump since why not do another repair.

We tried to get to bed early since we had another long day doing recovery the next day.

Day 6 Friday: The EMC race, we split our groups into 2 so we can do half day shifts, 7:30AM to 2ish then 2 to 10pm-ish. I took the 2nd shift to try and get some sleep since I spent all day doing repairs, the day before doing recovery and the day before that more repairs! I showed up in time for the new first time KOH winner to be just a mile or two from the finish when he rolled over at backdoor! We hustled and got him recovered and he ended up winning KOH 2020!

Day 7: A wheeling day! We got a late start to the morning but went wheeling at Aftershock.

We wanted to do Hwy 19/20 too but with 8 rigs and some more repairs we only ran aftershock.

(another video, click the image) 500 ft into the trail the 4runner snaps his track bar bracket off the axle. So out comes the on board premier power welder again



Climbing big rocks...




The hummer was acting like it wasn't in low range, I thought it was the TC going bad...I will get more on that later.

We continue on the trail and get to the last waterfall and my buddy smacks his slip yoke portion on the driveshaft and snaps it in two. Out comes the welder again....It did get him off the trail! The last waterfall was fun! We get back to camp and enjoy dinner and the campfire.
02-12-2020 05:55 PM
06 H3 Tuesday Day 3: We go into full repair mode, we need his rig on backdoor by tomorrow at 8AM. We need a front locker, bumper fixed and rear R&P.

We hit the road to Corona and bought all the parts at Yotamasters. They were super cool and helpful. We stop at Home Depot to get stuff for a makeshift tent in case the wind is bad and we stopped at carquest since my PS pump started to feel weak.



We got back at 6pm due to traffic and not leaving until 10 or so.

So we get pizza delivered to the lakebed at our campsite by 5 dollar pizza which was super cool and got to work by 7pm.

Started with bumper repairs, we FULLY welded everything since the previous owner didn't and we added tube gussets to strengthen it a good amount.



My premier power welder came in handy this trip! (click the image for the video)



We got that fixed and then tore apart the rear end. Luckily our other buddy was on his way out and brought us all the diff tools we needed.



Nothing like doing a legit gear install in the desert on a lifetime plastic table at 3:30AM!

Doing out best with what we have and the time we have.



Here's me freezing my ass off!



We got done by 4:45AM and he had a good safe bumper and a rear end back together. The locker will get done another time... Time for bed and to be ready rolling out to backdoor for recovery around 7:15AM

I also forgot to mention I installed some lap belts on the lakebed! I wanted to for years. I was sick and tired of the factory belts locking up on me on the trail. I mounted them off the factory seat bolt holes. I will use them off road and the factory belts on road.



Day 4: was uneventful, we had 4 rollover recoveries in the EMC race and I had to go recover a broken car at the top of Resolution.



We wanted to pull him a certain way, he didn't want us to. He insisted and sure enough my buddy broke a front D60 stub shaft pulling him backwards uphill in reverse. It was nice of him to NOT offer to replace it! Especially since we were out there doing it for free.....
02-12-2020 05:40 PM
06 H3 Day 0: I call it day zero because I got to the lakebed Satuday night around 6:30pm. I flew in late Friday night, stayed at my fiancť's parents house, they dropped me off at my buddy's place Saturday morning to finish some stuff I didn't get finished the weekend before, packed up and drove 110 miles to the lakebed. I flew in the weekend before to do some work on the hummer. It was a bad idea to install coilovers and a doubler t case, put 11 test miles on it and use my shakedown as a run 850 miles from home late December. The plan was to leave it there but not work on it! So I had some shakedown run issues I had to fix. Saturday night was the volunteer meeting. It was uneventful. The Hummer was FULL!



Day 1: Sunday morning, backdoor recovery for the UTV race.

It was a busy day! We didn't keep track but we were told we dealt with 70 rollovers! We had the Hummer at the bottom and my buddy's first gen Toyota pick up at the top.

The drag and then flip over move...



We dealt with armchair spectators saying you suck! I have done a ton of recoveries and its different when racing. Getting cars out of the way so others can pass, keeping yourself out of the way, pulling in a way to keep the rope away from the driver in case of failure and the skinned roof's limit your access points. Anyways we got the job done.



Day 2: We went to hammertown to check it out since there were no races that day. Saw dirthead Dave's old Hilux.



Then ran spooners canyon and outer limits.





Everything was fine on Spooner's but about 40% up Outer Limits my buddy broke what we thought was a front shaft. We pull it and see no damage but change it anyways. While changing it a UTV is driving down outer limits and almost rolled into his truck knocking off the jack.

We got it swapped out and 100 ft later takes out a rear R&P. We also learn the front locker is broken, not the shaft. So with 1 wheel drive it's time to turn around and get back to camp. As we are turning him around an older guy is walking down the trail saying they need help. He is in a JK and his buddy is in an LJ and accidentally got lost and came down outer limits. His buddy has a bad heart and he's inexperienced and they need help. So we help and get them off the trail. They did almost roll once or twice. While we get them off the trail my buddy is winching and we learn the previous owner didn't fully weld the front bumper on and used super thin tubing! So naturally it ripped off the frame....we eventually get off the trail and I tow him back to camp around 11:30pm.
02-12-2020 05:18 AM
DMANbluesfreak Looks like from IG that you had a very good (and busy!) time. Can't wait to see even more detail.
02-11-2020 01:45 PM
06 H3
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Originally Posted by wvracer821 View Post
Out there killing it!
Thanks! I will have a full KOH2020 Recap up soon.
02-05-2020 02:16 PM
wvracer821 Out there killing it!
02-05-2020 11:12 AM
AccuTune Offroad
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Originally Posted by wvracer821 View Post
Iím pretty sure I just caught a clip of your hummer in the EMC live feed. Hopefully KOH is treating you right!


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Yep! He's been doing recovery all week!
02-05-2020 11:11 AM
wvracer821 Iím pretty sure I just caught a clip of your hummer in the EMC live feed. Hopefully KOH is treating you right!


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01-27-2020 03:20 PM
DMANbluesfreak No, and it didn't when in 4lo either when it was IFS. The light on the 4wd selector buttons is what lit up for the trucks.
01-27-2020 03:15 PM
06 H3
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Originally Posted by DMANbluesfreak View Post
Unplug the TCCM and ground a pin when in 4lo (manually with a switch).
Did u pin it between the TCCM and the PCM or before the TCCM?

When you ground it out does the 4lo dash light come in (if you have one?)
01-27-2020 02:36 PM
DMANbluesfreak Unplug the TCCM and ground a pin when in 4lo (manually with a switch).
01-27-2020 02:13 PM
06 H3 These damn Hummers are complicated at times what did you do for yours?
01-27-2020 01:06 PM
DMANbluesfreak Neat! Sounds like your system is more complicated than the ones they put in the trucks of similar years. I like the ability to start in any gear you select. When in drive, mine sometimes decides it wants to start in 2nd until I give it a little throttle and in double low, this is quite the lurch haha.
01-27-2020 11:51 AM
06 H3 Update: I left my rig down south for about a month as I went to NY for Christmas and was traveling for work. I went down last weekend, pulled the case and found out I have a bad planetary. I did notice when I put it in but didn't think it was an issue, it had some play in the case and got worse with the wrong bearing in there. Got it all swapped out and I am hoping and praying it's fixed! I will be heading down for KOH and have 130 mile drive, I guess I will find out then I also swapped out my ram assist cylinder because it was bent and did yet another new tie rod since that's like the 7th one I have bent. I had issues with the aluminum one I did but eventually I will go back to that route.

My big issue: I installed a doubler transfer case. 1:1, 1.96:1, 2.72:1, 5.33:1. Its actually not an issue, itís a badass setup that will greatly improve capability! It does causes issues, but I know they can be overcome.

My VSS is in a similar position to factory, itís in the tail housing of the transfer case. Most guys that have done LS swaps in their jeeps have this issue too so to remedy it they put the VSS in the tailhousing of the trans so it always reads 1:1. I donít want to do that, gotta pull the trans apart, drill and tap the tailhousing, etc. It isnít a big deal if your doing it during the swap but to pull it all back out is a pain. The issue occurs that the VSS is seeing reduction in the tailhousing because the tcase is in low but the computer thinks itís in 4 high. It freaks the **** out and cuts power, shifts weird, almost like a limp mode.

My original plan was to just bolt the encoder motor off the frame rail, push the 4low button so the computer knows itís in 4low and we move on. Well I got too excited and drove it around and broke my encoder motor because I didnít mount it. I kind of forgot that I left it on a skid plate and it bounced around. Instead of buying a new encoder motor to play dumb I want to actually fix it with a real solution.

So I hit the interwebs and found there is a 4low signal (Iíll post the wiring diagram) how it works is the encoder motor has wiring that goes to the TCCM (transfer case control module) behind the glove box. It then has an output that goes to the pcm that says ďhey pcm! Iím in 4 lowĒ then an output/input class 2 data wire that goes to the DIC, from what I understand it illuminates the lights and shows your 4 low button lighting up, your traction control off and stabilitrac off on the DIC and the traction light on the dash.

So to trigger the pcm 4 low signal it needs to be grounded out, so I bought a 2 prong switch, tapped into the wire between the TCCM and PCM and ground it out.

So I flip the switch and nothing on the dash lights up. I figured that may be the case. Since I tapped into the 4low switch in front of the tccm so it canít trigger the DIC so my question is, does the pcm see a 4 low signal and cut out stabilitrac and traction control too but doesnít illuminate it because the ground is after the TCCM? Or does it tell the pcm ďuse your 4 low shift tablesĒ but leave traction control and stabilitrac engaged? I hope it disables it but doesnít illuminate because I donít want that crap on when in low range and the factory shuts it off in low range anyways.

With all that said, I would like to get the lights to illuminate when itís all said and done so it looks factory but for next week I just need it to work whether the lights show up or not. I will be doing 3 days of backdoor KOH recovery. Rolling rigs over, and extracting broken ones out after the race. Then multiple days of wheeling.

On another unrelated note, I did install a RADesigns mini rail shifter and TCC lockup. Since I have so many options hearing wise now I want to be able to start in any gear. I tapped into the TCM wiring with a on/on 6 prong switch. It allows factory control like a stock H3 with the toggle down and in the up position it gives me full manual control. If I want to start in 4th gear, I can start in 4th, itís like a full manual valve body but still retains OE functions! Then for TCC lock up I have a on/off/on 3 prong switch. Toggle down is factory torque converter lock up, toggle in the middle is TC lock up is off, toggle up is TC lock up when I want it to. The more control I have when wheeling the better. Then flip both the switches to factory and it will allow any one to drive it like a normal vehicle.

01-17-2020 04:50 PM
Injunfarian Awesome build!
12-17-2019 07:26 AM
06 H3
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Originally Posted by DMANbluesfreak View Post
Glad you figured that out before making the trip to Cali. That could have been catastrophic.

I was told most people don't even realize those little 15 needles in there since they are covered by a washer

Oooof that's scary haha. Glad you figured that out, too.

That was another issue figured out

Why not both?

LOL I would agree both!

In the interest of having ALL the possible parts you need, perhaps it'd be wise to ship him an entire NP241 front case half? That way you know it's all matched and your risk minimized. Just a thought.

That isn't a bad idea.

Where is your current VSS? In the NP205 output?

Yep its in the rear output of the 205

Yeah it's always tough when a fresh build has issues, but I think if you keep after the gremlins, you'll have a super stout drivetrain again and not have to worry. The silver lining is that the suspension seemed to work flawlessly and you should be proud about that.
I am ready to go back to hammers and kick ass lol
12-17-2019 05:59 AM
DMANbluesfreak
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Originally Posted by 06 H3 View Post
Because I had the 205 laying around so long waiting for the doubler I had it sitting for so long I must have forgot to put those 15 little needle bearings in. What a pain....So I got that back together and made the noise MUCH better but still noise was present.
Glad you figured that out before making the trip to Cali. That could have been catastrophic.

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I then found out I had an old style ring gear and a new style planetary. Wonderful....This is why your best to get a donor case and not mix/match these parts.
Oooof that's scary haha. Glad you figured that out, too.

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Crazy or stupidity, you pick.
Why not both?

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I still had the encoder motor plugged in but it wouldnt go into low range. The encoder motor was attached to the back of the factory case. I would let it shift even though nothing is attached to it and go into low. I think the encoder motor coincidentally died after pulling my old case. So with no real way to be shifting gears I dealt with the computer going haywire and literally had to winch HUNDREDS of feet out of this sand hill. It took hours and it sucked really bad. After that we got back to camp and the weather sucked, feeling pist off and not wanting to deal with weather we left to head to my buddy's house about 90 miles away. On the way to his house the damn doubler kept popping out of low. eventually we just towed it to his place. My plan was to leave it there anyway and fly home and come back in January for another run and then KOH, then drive it back. Now I am going to pull the case the weekend I go back.

I spoke with Behemoth and he thinks it's one or two things, the snap ring for the front input let loose and is allowing it to walk in the housing or we found out I have the narrower width bearing when I need the wide double row bearing which is 4mm thicker and allowing the case to walk around. THIS IS WHY I SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN A DONOR CASE instead of mixing and matching but I got a super good free deal which was cool and appealing but now I know. The reason we don't think its the shifter is because when you hold the lever with your hand and let it run in neutral you feel like the shifter hub is walking back and forth. I was told the input snap rings stretch and since I had to swap the planetary's I had that in and out a couple times. So when I fly to my buddy's in January I will bring the right bearing and a new snap ring. I will ship him a new DIY Tie rod to weld up and a new ram so she's ready for KOH.
In the interest of having ALL the possible parts you need, perhaps it'd be wise to ship him an entire NP241 front case half? That way you know it's all matched and your risk minimized. Just a thought.

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Originally Posted by 06 H3 View Post
I will wire in a switch to ground out the 4wd signal to the PCM so this computer stops freaking out. Probably easier then doing a new VSS in the back of the trans or something.
Where is your current VSS? In the NP205 output?

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After those struggles I felt defeated and angry. I felt like my rig is too big, heavy and dumb for the hammers and I should build a late 80's square body S10 since they are little and light but after a good night sleep I am ready to keep pushing the big rig! The last time I felt that way was when I was stock and broke a tie rod and questioned should I sell the H3 and buy a jeep. Luckily both times a good night sleep will snap me out of those thoughts. they are growing pains from a shakedown run that you deal with when building a rig not many others build.

The key takeaways were driving 840 miles successfully, getting the plaque on sledge and a new suspension that feels MUCH better.
Yeah it's always tough when a fresh build has issues, but I think if you keep after the gremlins, you'll have a super stout drivetrain again and not have to worry. The silver lining is that the suspension seemed to work flawlessly and you should be proud about that.
12-16-2019 08:13 PM
06 H3 2 post update....#1 is above.
After the plaque that big boulder moved under my tire and caused this



The tight left turn I should have gotten my first try, I had the right line and literally just stopped and backed up, pure stupidity on my part. This damn trail is my nemesis but I am glad I am finally up the plaque unassisted.

Then we went up "3rd canyon of sledge" it was very steep and loose but fun!



I dented my tie rod bad and my ram...damn it!

After that we went exploring and down a sand hill to bloody mary and that's when things got bad. First off the damn doubler started popping out of gear, didn't matter if it was high or low range. Then I realized my computer was going hay wire since it wouldn't recognize I was in low range.



I still had the encoder motor plugged in but it wouldnt go into low range. The encoder motor was attached to the back of the factory case. I would let it shift even though nothing is attached to it and go into low. I think the encoder motor coincidentally died after pulling my old case. So with no real way to be shifting gears I dealt with the computer going haywire and literally had to winch HUNDREDS of feet out of this sand hill. It took hours and it sucked really bad. After that we got back to camp and the weather sucked, feeling pist off and not wanting to deal with weather we left to head to my buddy's house about 90 miles away. On the way to his house the damn doubler kept popping out of low. eventually we just towed it to his place. My plan was to leave it there anyway and fly home and come back in January for another run and then KOH, then drive it back. Now I am going to pull the case the weekend I go back.

I spoke with Behemoth and he thinks it's one or two things, the snap ring for the front input let loose and is allowing it to walk in the housing or we found out I have the narrower width bearing when I need the wide double row bearing which is 4mm thicker and allowing the case to walk around. THIS IS WHY I SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN A DONOR CASE instead of mixing and matching but I got a super good free deal which was cool and appealing but now I know. The reason we don't think its the shifter is because when you hold the lever with your hand and let it run in neutral you feel like the shifter hub is walking back and forth. I was told the input snap rings stretch and since I had to swap the planetary's I had that in and out a couple times. So when I fly to my buddy's in January I will bring the right bearing and a new snap ring. I will ship him a new DIY Tie rod to weld up and a new ram so she's ready for KOH. I will wire in a switch to ground out the 4wd signal to the PCM so this computer stops freaking out. Probably easier then doing a new VSS in the back of the trans or something.

After those struggles I felt defeated and angry. I felt like my rig is too big, heavy and dumb for the hammers and I should build a late 80's square body S10 since they are little and light but after a good night sleep I am ready to keep pushing the big rig! The last time I felt that way was when I was stock and broke a tie rod and questioned should I sell the H3 and buy a jeep. Luckily both times a good night sleep will snap me out of those thoughts. they are growing pains from a shakedown run that you deal with when building a rig not many others build.

The key takeaways were driving 840 miles successfully, getting the plaque on sledge and a new suspension that feels MUCH better.
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