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03-05-2020 08:31 PM
tracyb
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Originally Posted by 45acp View Post
Working for a living in the shop is 100% game changer. The majority of us are bending tube for friends, drinking beer, and making dumb stuff in our spare time.

Honestly if it was my job I wouldn't even want it on my property... let alone attached to my house.
starting a business from your garage, and that buidling a home plus a seperate non-residential type gives the best dollar value most of the time. makes it almost always best to build separate.

i'm in the pnw and my place is the only one i know of with more than a 3 car attached garage that isn't a massive home. but i have allot of family in Missouri, st charles area just S of Louis and i know these garage/ shop things are super trendy right now. but i think its exactly that 'trendy' they wont hold their value like a home and separate shop. the new housing trends in that area in general are trendy. their real estate market is very different than here.


to reinforce the attached being a bad idea. if resale value matters my place is valued by assessors as though its only a 2 car garage... being attached the shop adds no value over a 2car as far as any lender my mortgage broker could come with. and there isn't any comps anywhere to justify value.
03-05-2020 06:25 PM
45acp Working for a living in the shop is 100% game changer. The majority of us are bending tube for friends, drinking beer, and making dumb stuff in our spare time.

Honestly if it was my job I wouldn't even want it on my property... let alone attached to my house.
03-05-2020 06:19 PM
tracyb
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Originally Posted by KWTMECH View Post
Personally, any type of real shop I would want a separate structure. Fire walls come into mind along with noise and dirt
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Originally Posted by 45acp View Post
Firewall and noise can be taken care of with rock wool insulation
my place aint as pretty as pictured above. but the same idea. its very well built 2x6 walls and tgi roof/ so interior ceiling is 14ish inches lower than roof line. everywhere drywall taped and finished.

still i'd much rather have a seperated shop and home. there are a ton of reasons, but as someone whos hobby turned into a full time job... my #1 reason is insurance. one look around anyone who has a shop used for more than storage, and also has a business licence, you get screwed on insurance.

my last shop 24x30 burnt down, business insurance said its homeowners and homeowners said its business. it was truly a bit of both, but 80% home stuff. regardless, its was a critical time in bisiness and i had less than 0 money for a lawyer... cost me 30k on the low end and 100k if you figure retail on everything.

now in my new place (its all i could swing) i'm operating the same, and dont like it. i hope to build a seperate house on the property asap, and take sq ft from the existing space to qualify as an ADU.

and who with a shop doesn't dream someday this will be my job? i did and it bit me. i'm lucky i made it thru the fire. but i dont have any option but to risk it again hoping to make it far enough to seperate home and shop. then it will be employees and other problems

also, maybe there is a better way than i'm going; i haven't found it

03-05-2020 04:55 PM
45acp Firewall and noise can be taken care of with rock wool insulation
03-05-2020 06:17 AM
KWTMECH Personally, any type of real shop I would want a separate structure. Fire walls come into mind along with noise and dirt
03-04-2020 11:40 PM
Todd W
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Originally Posted by Lil'John View Post
Are you running from the cost of internet or AB5?

I had relatives live in their barn for about 2 years while they built their McMansion. I got to stay there during a winter and it was interesting to say the least. It was east Texas and during a mild winter so it wasn't too chill.

If it is temporary, I'd go the route of setting up a shop bathroom and shop breakroom(ie kitchen) then use a small trailer to live in. Or in your case, two

I think this route would be cheaper in the long run and you could recoup the cost of the small trailer(s) down the road.

As others mentioned, permitting might become an issue. And depending upon where, it may not even be possible. One area near us won't allow garage apartments; garage size larger than living quarters in one building.


I'm thinking more along the lines of this type of steel shop home, not so fancy, and on a bit smaller scale as I'd like the attached garage\home, and then detached metal shop, wood shop, barn, hay storage, etc.. County I'm looking at has 0 inspections beyond the state minimum requirement, and soil sample\test for septic and these type (maybe not so fancy) are common.



Maybe 100x60 or 80x60 with ~1500-2000 for garage\family use
2 Story "House" section. Single story garage with lofts around perimeter.

Then down the road could add the metal shop, wood shop.

PLAN BIG
02-11-2020 11:20 AM
Jeepermat
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Originally Posted by Lil'John View Post
Are you running from the cost of internet or AB5?

I had relatives live in their barn for about 2 years while they built their McMansion. I got to stay there during a winter and it was interesting to say the least. It was east Texas and during a mild winter so it wasn't too chill.

If it is temporary, I'd go the route of setting up a shop bathroom and shop breakroom(ie kitchen) then use a small trailer to live in. Or in your case, two

I think this route would be cheaper in the long run and you could recoup the cost of the small trailer(s) down the road.

As others mentioned, permitting might become an issue. And depending upon where, it may not even be possible. One area near us won't allow garage apartments; garage size larger than living quarters in one building.

This is exactly the route I am going now with my build, we were going to build an apartment in part of the building, but the permitting and costs were going to be ridiculous so I abandoned it. Now I will just have a shop with a full bathroom and kitchen right next to where I park an RV.
02-11-2020 08:32 AM
Lil'John Are you running from the cost of internet or AB5?

I had relatives live in their barn for about 2 years while they built their McMansion. I got to stay there during a winter and it was interesting to say the least. It was east Texas and during a mild winter so it wasn't too chill.

If it is temporary, I'd go the route of setting up a shop bathroom and shop breakroom(ie kitchen) then use a small trailer to live in. Or in your case, two

I think this route would be cheaper in the long run and you could recoup the cost of the small trailer(s) down the road.

As others mentioned, permitting might become an issue. And depending upon where, it may not even be possible. One area near us won't allow garage apartments; garage size larger than living quarters in one building.
02-10-2020 08:03 PM
tracyb
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Originally Posted by Todd W View Post
Over the years I've seen a handful of these in here... those of you who've done it, and still live in it. What can you share to save me hassles
Would you do it again?
completely depends on local code. the shared space thing in many cases makes it less costly to build separate. because the shop space can be built to lesser code than living space, when combined all needs to be built to living space code.

around here if you want to do as i think, there is only one way to go. build a shop with everything needed to add the living space and state the intent is to live in a camper. have it all signed off. once the gov is out of the way do what you want, make it a living space without further inspection. pole barns type building wont ever pass as living space.


i got really lucky to find a place already built, 1000ft2 of living and 4500ft2 of shop. living space has a crawl space underneath and the entire structure is 2x6 framed insulated and sheet rocked. it would be crazy expensive to build new that way, and the appraised value is the same as though it where a 1000ft2 home with 2car garage.
my place was built for a guy with way more money than me as a vacation spot for him and his buddies. shop space and concrete pad have full hookups for 5 rvs. all his buddies would come and take the 50ft boat on trips, while the 'hens' stayed in their homes away from home and did their thing.
makes for a super nice shop space. but not very affordable to build. or maintain, thank god the roof was replaced just before i bought
02-10-2020 06:55 AM
caryt I have lived in a metal building for 15 years...didn't build it and I would never build one.

Build a SIP shop with min 4/12 pitch roof. Cover the sides and roof with anything you want. Build out your living area and have a quite, super insulated and draft free home and shop.
02-10-2020 05:04 AM
Jeepermat I would go talk to your building department to see what their requirements are. Once I understood their requirements I changed my direction with my build, however my setup was going to be somewhat temporary and I didnt want to sink that much money into something that I wasnt going to use 2 years down the road.
02-09-2020 08:01 PM
Todd W
Metal Building Shop+Home

Over the years I've seen a handful of these in here... those of you who've done it, and still live in it. What can you share to save me hassles
Would you do it again?

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